God dammit you guys are ungrateful. You obviously have absolutely no idea of what a painstaking process it is to get a game released, and the amount of quality assurance, paper milling and waiting around you have to do before you even get your concept approved for development. Be glad the game managed to get through the Valve/Bethesda/ZeniMax/Sony/Microsoft moneymaking steamroller without losing all of its charm and appeal, and be double thankful that the devs keep updating it after release. Lil punks.

You make it sound like they built the holy grail. :mellow:

AFAIK there already has been at least one patch, although a small one.
Also I'd like to see actual statistics for the claim that only "a lucky few" did not have problems in number.
That being said I do hope the patch comes out soon (but better wait a bit longer and get a good one) and that it helps the peoples that have problems with the game.

In the meantime, we can only be patient...

According to Steam I've played Fallout 3 for 5 hours and Fallout New Vegas for 174, so yeah, there's a difference. It's the best Fallout since 2, and one of the veeery few games I've been able to enjoy since Half-Life 2. The game has that special something you can't put your finger on, which is a truly remarkable feat in these days of multi-million behemoths that have to appeal to everyone and sell by truckloads just to break even. Today, Cliff Bleszinski can drive a different car to work every day because he's made a desaturated game about muscly, chainsaw-toting idiots. 15 years ago he probably drove a Fiat, and his game was a total LSD trip about a rabbit launching bombshells at evil turtles, which sold for chump change and was ridden with bugs. Guess which game is the one with the heart, soul and nerve?

Well too be honest, a lot of review sites gave Fallout 3 extremely good scores and if memory serves me right it was mighty buggy at the start as well.
I haven't checked them all that much, but I've heard people saying more sites are penalizing the bugs in reviews (in terms of review score) with this game. Fallout 3 it was across the board praise.
Either they are more forgiving on Bethesda or they're just sick of the engines flair for bugs.

Though I don't doubt there have been review-sites that have allowed good reviews to be bought, I'd wouldn't throw out such a baseless accusation, much less on the developers own forum.

@Nekhanimal: I loved Jack Jazz Rabbit. Haven't thought of that game for so long.

IIRC, when I first played just Fallout 3 on PS3, it wasn't that bad, but once I bought and played the GotY with the add-ons, that's when I started to have the problems.

I'm assuming the patch hasn't come out yet for PS3 since it doesn't sound like anyone's gotten it yet.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1125221-please-read-from-the-teams-at-obsidian-and-bethesda/

Bottom post. Highly jealous, being a 360 user. I've waiting this long anyway, what is another 6 days max. Plus, I can read the patch notes and have a rough idea as to what is fixed.

Quite frankly a ridiculous opinion to be honest.... my apologies for being so blunt and apparently rude but ingratitude doesn't come into it when we're talking about forking out our hard earned cash. If NV was a mod (which I do consider it to be anyway) and free then you would have a point. There are many products on the market that go through a painstaking and time consuming development process but PC/console games are about the only ones I can think of that we pay for knowing with almost complete certainty (these days anyway) that they are not going to work properly and will require several rounds of "live" beta testing and updates before they do. If films were released in this state, they would be laughed out of the market, as a for instance.

They keep updating them because if they didn't, this disillusionment and anger you are detecting would spill over to the next product released under the same banner and money would be lost. NV has already made millions, indeed had done so before many of us realised it was a more unfinished product than most releases are, so I think the development team require neither sympathy nor defending from our opinions; we've paid for the right to have an opinion.

In the mean time, this imminent patch continues to delay and feed this atmosphere of impatience.

Then next time a new game comes out - don't buy it right away. Despite what some people seem to think, programming is not an exact science - I still find an occasional bug in Fallout 3!

NV a mod? Hardly. Even with the bugs it is better than 3.

Actually it is an exact science. Its the most exact science there is, being as it is nothing more than a series of logical steps put into code.

It is not the responsibility of the consumer to decide when a product is fit for release, it is the developers. To put it simply, if its broke, fix it... then release it, not the other way round.

Those are facts. Whether NV is better than FO3 is an opinion... and an unhelpful and provocative one at this point.

That's sad, because you didn't have to pay for that.

I bought Dragon Age Origins when it came out and I didn't find any noticeable bugs.
Honestly, most games I buy have few bugs that I actually notice.
So when I buy a game I actually expect it to have been tested and bug-fixed enough.
I don't have big problems with New Vegas though.
Only things I really care about are some of the longer loading screens, invisible walls and EW and Explosives being crap against DT.

But the people that manipulate those "logical steps" are not as logical and, thus, problems arise. This makes it an in-exact science..

It is the responsibility of the consumer to carefully consider a purchase they make. If you buy a game the day it is released - you take your chances.

I believe you said we paid to have an opinion? Everyone but those who disagree with you I see.

They're nerfing my precious Sniper Rifles? :confused:

Look, you can be as argumentative as you like while you try and shoot holes in what I'm saying... the fact remains that NV is the most bug-ridden release of recent years. That is not an opinion. The opinion is that they should have dealt with all this prior to release.

Your apparent acceptance of the unfinished state games are released in is baffling. Similar attitudes have caused many a rocket to explode on or shortly after launch. The fact that we are not going to die in a ballistic fireball as a result of NV's bugs is somewhat comforting, I'll grant you that... but it doesn't excuse the insulting rush to release that has netted them millions in the last month or so.

Sweet! Thanks Gstaff :tops:



Yes. Fallout 3. It worked for F3 but it doesn't for Fallout: New Vegas. It's literally like having God Mode on. I haven't taken a dent in 25 hours and I have so much ammo that I couldn't get rid of even by fighting an Army Theatre of Behemoth Deathclaws. (Army Theatre = 3.000.000-10.000.000 soldiers)

Well, today is the tomorrow of that tomorrow, haven't seen a patch yet

Well he said "As early as" Not that it was stone set tomorrow then.

The update was supposedly set to go live at 12:00 AM GMT for PS3 in Europe. Hopefully someone here can let us know if that goes live (I think it's 12:34 AM GMT right now) and maybe start giving details about what the update entails.

No, but it's better to give pessimistic estimate and possibly have people be pleasantly surprised rather than the opposite.

I can't think of a single sandbox RPG that wasn't buggy at release. FO3, Oblivion and even Morrowind all had issues at release. Couple that with the fact there are A LOT of people enjoying NV without issues would lead me to believe it is impossible to label this as the most bug ridden release. The most vocal are the ones with issues while all those that aren't having problems are too busy playing to comment on the current state of the game.

Granted.... I am not particularly singling NV out in the bugs-at-release category, save to say it is one of the worst I have encountered in recent times. In fact you've kind of underlined my point in that we almost expect video games to be unstable at release. I feel somewhat that the ability of consoles in particular to live-update has allowed a certain level of complacency about release stability to creep in. And it seems to be largely accepted and even excused.

I can't hold with that. I do, in fact, think its outrageous.

My personal beef with NV is simple.... I would love to enjoy playing it but the game won't run for long enough for me to achieve anything approaching immersion, which is the whole point of an RPG in my world.

I disagree with your point about the state of NV simply because if you were right, this patch we're waiting for would not be necessary. If it works for you, great, you're lucky but far from being in the majority.

The game has been treating me good so farI think I'm looking forward more to people finally calming the hell down a bit on the forums when it's released than to the changes themselves.

The last post on the patch update thread by the devs:



Can someone clarify that last update about PS3? Is that for Europe or for North America?

That should be specifically for Europe (SCEE). From what I can tell it is live right now, so hopefully someone's up late still that can grab it and start digging (since I don't believe changelogs are posted on the console patches).