exactly this...to be honest I could live without any jumping at all if we had proper climbing....how often do you jump in real life anyway?

Yes, and I'm sure that some people think that the ideal thief is able to fly. That's why the game developers have to make choices based on the aesthetic of the game world they're creating.

More than I climb, Like this morning I jumped over the water sprinkler to grab my paper

You jump higher when you have less stuff on. Best way to figure out your max-height is by going nvde then jumping around. Also, some races can jump higher than others. I've notice this a lot.

Whirlwind Sprint is so epic. I've found plenty of spots where I can use that to pass a door/bridge or something else in a ruin. Much better then wasting time on a puzzle but I like puzzles.

I'm fine without Acrobatics, unless they can add something to the tree other than jump height, and if they can make the AI cope with the player who inevitably climbs to some impossible height and shoots at them.

When he said those things are unreal, he was making a statement to the people that said, the jump height in other games are unrealistic, read into proper, don't just reply to ther part that pissed you off

Try jumping on the cabbage cart in the game. That does not end well

Acrobatics was fun in Oblivion. And useful too in moving around the world outside of roads. In Skyrim my characters are doomed to be vertical movement challenged, forced to walk that one road that leads to the top of that hill. Unable to use features of towns and dungeons when trying to kill someone without being seen. Why would you limit movement in an open world game?

They don't limit movement in any unacceptable or unrealistic manner. And I've used features of towns or dungeons to kill someone from the shadows on many occasions.

Hmm. I've siderun/jumped up some pretty sharp rock inclines in Skyrim. Yeah, it feels a little like taking advantage of game mechanics (like side-walking up some of the mountains in WoW to see things like the Ironforge Airport), but it works. I've gotten to a good number of caves & dragon lairs that way.

I agree, the jumping height is bad.

Being able to make your character more bouncy and acrobatic with perks would be awesome.

Hmph, I see. So we have a user dedicated towards eradicating killcams, and one dedicated towards bringing back acrobatics and/or athletics. I wonder if we can get one for Spell-making.

Flying thieves aren't consistent with lore. Acrobats or thieves who can jump high are consistent with lore.

Sure. But that wasn't in the post I was responding to.

Also, lore is somewhat flexible, since Bethesda creates it. And I don't consider jumping height to be a matter of lore as much as it is a matter of old game mechanics that have been cut as a design decision.

You know what'd be badass? A fus ro dah jump. Like a rocket jump from TF2. Look it up if you don't know what a rocket jump is.

OT: Is there a mod for that?s

No. They didn't have jumping for the same reasons for the lack of levitation. And that is not only the walled cities, the new dungeons are designed in a linear fashion, that is one way. If you can jump higher, you could break that and traverse a dungeon in the wrong order. (Wrong order to explore a dungeon?! I am baffled too but they say it is cool design!)

And magic is that way because they wanted the balance to be like this: shouts>spells. So shouts could steal the spot light.

The way it's meant to be played. It is all about design philosophies.

Yeah. I said I can't make a proper acrobat or thief, because acrobatics is cut. That launched the exchange I quoted.
Flying thieves/acrobats versus jumping thieves/acrobats is a matter of lore friendliness. They can change lore however they want, for better or worse. My point is players can no longer make acrobats and thieves that are an established part of the TES universe. If they want to change lore, bite the bullet and do it. Cut content that refers to agile acrobats etc. I'm aware that lore does not equate to gameplay (see levitate). However, a perk that increases jump height a bit does not have the dramatic game world breaking effect that levitate has. And those who hate those classes or don't like the perk don't have to select it. Everyone's happy. Why limit player character builds that fit lore, especially when they're so easy to include. Baffling. Even more baffling that our fellow players would support it. I'm eager to hear what'd they say if it was their favorite class that got cut into.

Like I said in other post. I have played this game on PC with the mod and I have yet to be able to skip anything or come across a bug. I had my Jumping height enchanced x4 of the present jumping height. The caves and dungeons have barred doors and locked walls to avoid you from skipping anything important.

It is the shortcuts. You know, at the end of a dungeon, you jump and you're back to the beginning area. I have modded it too and I am going the wrong way when I can. It is funny to steal the loot like that. Then there is traps and some puzzles. Todd Howard commented on this by saying they had "many good gameplay and level design" which they couldn't add before because players could break them.

In my philosophy, if we could jump over traps and these forced obstacles later in game, it would add to the game. Progression, achievement, nonlinearity...

Never had issue with the jump height in Skyrim. I'm the Dragonborn, not Spiderman. /shrug

That why it should be optional

Wouldn't people complain (As they always do) that the AI isn't able to handle roof-jumping players? I mean, even now if I jump onto a medium-sized rock not even a Giant can "reach" me.

thats the point

You want a official way to exploit the AI? Aren't people complaining about Smithing for a similar reason?

I mean, if the AI could handle it, I would support you. But as it can't handle it... I think they shouldn't focus on that.

I wouldn't mind an augmented jumping system for certain races or classes; although i do see the potential of the havoc that could cause for people getting places using that talent. Not a gamebreaker for me though. My acrobatics fix can be found with AC or Mirror's edge..