I must attempt to get some rest before Turkey feast arrives, however I strongly urge some of you that are on the fence about immersion and how graphics can improve immersion immensely, take a look at http://www.youtube.com/user/Morfar#p/search/1/kO-XR11vOmc video, and others of Amnesia. As you will see in the linked video, the guy playing has genuine fear of what lurks around the corner, even if he is a bit over-jumpy. Then again, this is the only game to actually give me chills playing it.

Also, please don't misinterpret any of this threads contents as someone 'complaining' about DRM, I never once mentioned it. This is my call for a conversation with Todd (or at least someone in the 'know') to get some answers as to why Skyrim feels so, well, 5 years ago. Why there were no steps in place to make the ultra settings actually push a high end machine, why there are incomplete (and mostly mid/lo resolution) textures, and why the game lacks the immersion that was present in DF, MW, and OB. Not to mention the lack of a x64 .exe, x64 dll's, or the option to enable DX11 features.

Depends what you mean by graphics, high resolutions on them are simply subjective.

Its how you use them to make what you want, IE the aesthetics, the shape of the model, how light reflects off of it and so on.

A wooden plank at 1024x1024 textures will still look the same as one at 4096x4096.

DX11 and DX9 are different beasts, DX9 still does things better than DX11 does, some lighting effects work more fluently for example.

Hopefully Bethesda will be writing a new engine for the next generation.

You might wanna ask for 5 minutes with the whole team and not just Todd.

Well, getting at Todd is like getting at everyone, and you know how that goes.

Nice. But the guy smoking while playing is more scary tho, I'm just saying.

I'm not typically one to comment on a thread by gamers more hardcoe than myself, but I just have to say, as awesome as games are, and as much we wish for a more and more explosive and awesome experience, we all have to take a step back and remember the fundamental truth.......It's a freakin' GAME. I find myself getting nauseated as more and more gamers whip out the torches and pitchforks when the game isn't exactly the way they want it to be. And to go as far as to call out devs and make hostile comments over minutia like who the game was optimized for and why the hell aren't specific resources being tapped, etc, etc, it's just certifiably insane. If you go into a full blown rage over in game textures, you seriously need to step back and remember where the real world is. Life is full of so many more things to get pissy over than something we should be playing for strict entertainment value.

I doubt he will reply on thanksgiving day. He is probably clubbing with chicks and turkey somewhere in VIP lounge....

You must be joking.

In what aspect?

Pete Hines is the PR man: FACT - see their staff lists.
Steam DRM is supplied/created by Valve: FACT - see Valve/steamworks
Skyrim is the most stable/bug free TES game yet: Subjective opinion, but judging on personal experience, and forum reports following Morrowind and Oblivion, it seems to be the case so far. There weren't really forums for Arena or Daggerfall, newsgroups give some clue as to how bad they were, but you can download them for free from Beth and see for yourself.
PC players buy less copies of the game than console: FACT - see http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16252-bethesda-90-of-elder-scrolls-audience-on-consoles/

Or are you that guy who says 'this game is the worst thing ever' after every game release by every company? Does kind of get samey

They're also able to save what are likely significant amounts of time and money by using our modding to provide ideas for their next game.

There is some doubt in my mind that there will be a PC version of TES 6. By that time, the next generation of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo game systems will be out and established and whatever events led to what is the PC version of Skyrim will be amplified.

Todd Howard, while a long time Bethesda employee and top dog at BGS, is just that, the top dog at the game studio. To the degree that he is able, he simply makes the games. I don't want to belittle his job, but I am fairly certain that he is not given free reign to do as he pleases, with an unlimited budget and unlimited time. I do not know whether he tells his boss what to give him for resources, or whether his boss allocates resources to him, but I am guessing it is more of the latter than of the former.

I doubt he had the resources to make a top shelf game for two consoles and the PC platform and effort was focused on the consoles. The PC version was given enough resource to match the consoles. We can debate why, but my guess is that it is revenue from the PC platform is trivial compared to consoles and that prudence demands a proportional allocation of resources.

We assume based on the initial press release that a PC version was always part of the plan, but it may have been part of the plan only on the condition that it did not take significant resources from the development of the console versions of the game.

So, I do not know of what value it will be to call Todd Howard onto the virtual carpet here to testify in his defense. While he may have made the decisions on how to allocate resources, it is my opinion that he was not the master of his fate and that other people in Bethesda Softworks, notably the ones holding the Septims, are the ones who set the fate for the PC version.

Sadly, the poor opinion of the PC version of the game visible on the internet may actually drive revenue on the console version as some consumers see that there is no advantage (other than Mods) to purchasing the PC version of the game because they are just getting the console version anyway. When it comes time to decide whether to publish a TES 6 on the PC, the Septim counters may say that it is not worth it for the 10-15% of the sales that they received from Skyrim and Oblivion. Skyrim sales are already well above Oblivion, more than making up for what would have been lost if they had decided not to do a PC version.

If they can save development money, or allocate more money to the consoles, at the expense of the PC platform, and still increase revenue, then the PC version exists only at the whim of the management team.

Personally, I won't be purchasing Elder Scrolls games on the console. The mods are why I play the game and I already have several installed. I could not imagine playing it in a static world.

I also thought Skyrim was the best and most stable of all Bethesda games,but after a 100+ hours of play game started to break(quests,longer saves,random CTD,specific places CTD...).Did you not also notice the abysmal performance without ini file tweaks?Frame rate for me is not the question,but the stability of the game(Skyrim).

Gutted for your loss. I know how bad I felt when I lost all my Duke3D maps and Doom.wads. They weren't very good, but they were my ugly little babies...

I think you're right though. It would be amazing if all the elite modders clubbed together and made their own TES instalment out of sheer love for the story and TES universe. Oh wait, they did. It was called FCOM.

Mild sarcasm aside, it could work. Did you ever play Ultima V: Lazarus? That was an amazing piece of work. You could feel the devotion that went into it. In fact I may go and play it now instead of Skyrim.

Honestly, I think a lot of the dev team probably wishes for the same.

Not likely to happen, but who knows you may actually get your wish. At least you could try and maybe it will be a positive thing instead of a negative, What you expect and what really can be Vastly different.

11/11/11 that's what borked this game - a stupid deadline that has all 1's in it.

I know i won't get any face time with any of Bethesda, especially on Turkey day; however I have this out there to gather the feedback to hopefully get spotted and hey, you never know, I may get my facetime with either Todd or someone 'in the know' @ Bethesda.

I've heard rumors of a multi-level mod combining all of the provinces of Tamriel, but I've not seen/heard anything for 3 years on it. Just goes to show how much dedication the true fanbase and put in to modding. I feel that as a modder, we have been expected to make our own Skyrim with this release while console players simply play what they have, which is wrong. We should expand on the game, not adjust its flaws.

Speak for your self, game works great right out of the box for me on ultra, no ini changes, only 60 hours in but still going good no FPS issues or crashing of any sort, so this is all subjective.


460 GTX
4gb ram
AMD dual core 3.0
win vista 32bit

but you'll have to leave the baseball bat at home

Er.. no. Frame rate and stability are both great for me. The only ini tweak I've made has been to add in land and tree self-shadows. Sorry that your computer/setup is causing you problems, but unless mine is magically patching something up it's likely there isn't anything majorly wrong inherent with the game in terms of stability/performance (or those of us without problems would be seeing problems too). Maybe we just got lucky with our hardware choices/software. I've seen it crash once on my wife's computer, but mine hasn't had a problem yet (touch wood).

As of TES:V Skyrim, console TES games are now moddable. I still play PC but word is that the Xbox and PS3 versions are fully moddable.


Alexis
*smiles*

Still no word from Tod then? lol

This thread....

Until I get a patch for the constant CTDs, nothing I'd like to do with Todd Howard would include the word "civilized" unless it has "un" as a prefix.

Ummm..... of course not, why would you think he would or even should ?

I would really hope Todd DOESN'T respond to this thread, seeing as him responding would mean that he's NOT working on my patch that I expect soon next week, along with the Construction Kit.