If you ask his own Jarls, most of them even have qualms with Ulfric.

Ulfric is an awesome guy. He killed Torryg due to the fact that he need to set an example to the rest of Skyrim. He needed to show them that he is strong enough to take on the empire. He needs the rest of Skyrim to back him up. And to all the Imperial loving people out there, just keep in mind that it was Lt. Rikkie that wanted you to have your head chopped off regardless if you were innocent or not. She didn't seem to care. Not to mention, if you wandered into an Imperial camp, they were usually armed to the teeth and were ready to attack you if you got too close. And if you wandered into a Stormcloak Camp, they didn't attack you right away. Personally, I found the Imperials to be rather rude and other words I'm not gonna mention. Not to mention, during some part of the quest in the Stormcloak mission, Ulfric tells you that you should take a break for a little while and get some of your own personal things done. Then later after you beat the Imperials, he tells you that he wants you to be there so he can Honor you for helping him win the Civil War. While the Imperials due not. They don't offer you a break for a short time, and they certainly don't offer to Honor you. And not to mention, the main Imperial talks down to you from day one. He never says anything nice to you. He's always rude about everything. However, Ulfric on the other hand, is rather very nice to you once you've joined up with him on his cause. He actually after awhile feels like he has a special bond with you. So just cause he murdered the High King, doesn't make him a horrible person. He doesn't like the fact that he killed him, he just said he had to do what he had to do to open the eyes of Skyrim. So yes, I'll choose Ulfric any day over the Imperials. The Imperials have lost their touch over the last 200 years since the Oblivion Crisis.

Love it!

He just hates the Thalmor because of how they treated him, namely Elenwen. I dont blame him...I kill every Thalmor I can. They think they rule the world.

Just a note. It isn't Rikke who orders your death in the intro, it's some unnamed Redguard captain. You have a chance to kill her if you follow Ralof to the keep (and loot her heavy armor).

No one! not even his Mom !

Hmm... I have a problem with this: "he can't be a racist because one Dunmer is hardworking and is, therefore, accepted in the community... partially".

It's a common theme America and truly troublesome, "I don't have a problem with Mexicans as long as they work hard and aren't mooching off the system", while the American who says it sits on their couch eating potato chips adding to their obesity. So, no, I don't think that *allowing* an immigrant of a different race to float around the community simply because they are perceived as hard workers makes them any less racist.

That said, I'm not saying Ulfric's racist, I'm just saying that this particular line of argumentation is a contradiction.

I kill every Thalmor I encounter as well, and if I'm not actually killing them with my weapons, I'm killing them with thought bullets. But I'm doing it because they're arrogant pricks.

If we're "just lizards" what does that say about you since you got your ass kicked by us? Handily..

Yeah, we hear the "I have no problems with immigrants as long as they work"-argument here a lot as well... But it isn't always easy to get a job when your name is foreign and you don't even speak the language properly. Not saying this goes for the Dunmer of Windhelm, though, just that the argument isn't particularly well-reasoned.


Considering Ulfric's racism I'd say, ok, maybe he's not all open arms and welcome to non-Nords, but he's no worse than any other Nord warrior (Stormcloak or not) yelling things like "Skyrim belongs to the Nords" in battle. As stated here and elsewhere, he never says anything outright racist himself. (And of course, as an NPC following his programming he will gladly welcome any PC into his army, castle and bed, regardless of race, so if you want to RP that he's no racist it's quite easy.)

His voice is the most epic voice in the game.

It does sound nice. I prefer the generic male Argonian voice better.

i hate Ulfric, he's not very nice, FOR THE EMPIRE!!

I don't like him at all but I can say that I really love the actor's voice and wish he was voicing a better character (that I liked). That's a voice I could travel with for 300 hours easily. As for the story, I just think he's an ambitious and racist murderer. It doesn't get much worst than that....and I've read all the debate about why he isn't. Just wanted to give props to Vladimir Kulich for his wonderful voice and characterization.

I like him. Hes not a bad guy but neither is he a good guy.
s far as the argonians, Ulfric is the reason why they live outside the city. Theres no info givem why they were moved outside. But I wouldnt call that racism because if u side with the empire, they wont let the argonians back in either bc its for their protection. So if u say ulfric is racist then u have to call the jarl who replaces him racist also since he wont either. We can only concluded that ulfric did it for the same reason also and that hes not racist on that subject or u have to call the jarl who taxes the local nords for money to repair the dunmer district, people who do not pay taxes and are supposed to govern and take care of their own selves racist as well.
As far as the dunmers, The only thing that ulfric even says about them himself is that dont they know hes in the middle of a war. If u side with the empire, the new jarl tells you that the coffers are empty and that there were no money to be given to the dunmer.

Also id also like to point out that according to the pact for the dunmers free living, they the dunmers were supposed to take care of the repair parts themselves, not the local jarl. They were given free housing, they do not own their housing they just live for free and that they do not pay taxes or can be forced into service and are supposed to govern themselves. No where does it say that the jarl is supposed to take care of them the whole not paying taxes and governing themselves is supposed to be the duer using the money they do not pay in taxes to take care of themselves and the governing, they are supposed to place someone over the repairs with funds they give that werent given to local jarl.

This whole idea that Ulfric is a racist is so...so...sophomoric and has been debunked so many times I get the impression that it's more like a bunch of three year-olds running around trumpeting the newest potty word they've just learned.

In the first place, if you went, in a fit of politically correct, missionary zeal, to preach to Ulfric and Tullius and...well, heck, anyone in Skyrim...about "racism," they'd first look at you like you were talking a foreign language and then they'd laugh you back to where-ever you came from. (laughter is the most powerful shout).

the concept doesn't even exist in the social and cultural context of Skyrim.

Second, let me stipulate that I have not finished the game, nor have I chosen sides yet. And I am admittedly not the kind of pedant that quotes chapter and verse from obscure lore.

But I have yet to see a writ, a law, an edict, a statute or even a suggestion cited that overtly restricts the movement or rights of other races in Skyrim or Windhelm, which Ulfric supports. Much less one that directly seeks to actively persecute, enslave, restrict religious freedom or even badger Dunmer or Argonians.

I would welcome such citations.

The fact that the Dunmer live in a separate quarter in Windhelm is not one of those, however. AFAIK, Ulfric is indifferent to where the Dunmer live or how they make a living (there is even a Dunmer farming just outside of the city with a Nord employee...it is inconceivable that Ulfric doesn't know that). Ulfric has too much else on his plate, and too few resources to be bothered with such entrenched, millennia old trivialities.

You may have "other" issues with Ulfric...perhaps preferring collusion with a foreign power that ultimately seeks to wipe out all men on Tamriel; preferring a weak and corrupt thrall state to a strong "authority figure". But using "racism" as a reason is simply not supported by the evidence...nor rational.

In the end, I suspect it is a bit of a "cover."

How is he racist?

Because he doesn't use his sparse resources to help a people who, by a decree, is selfgoverning and not under oath to him, doesn't pay taxes and doesn't help the war-efforts.

Seriously though, he is a nationalist, not a racist.

Unfortunately a lot of people believe that nationalism=racism...

A lot of people think that everything = racism. But, yes, in this case they are conflating nationalism with racism.

Exactly right.

It's a perception fostered by a sense of limitless entitlement...by an emerging nanny state that seeks to be all things to all people.And be damned to self-determination.

I like ulfric , i can never side with the empire , him and galmar are awesome ! so he may not have everyone behind him and he has some flaws , find me someone who doesnt , he is not a coward as some people say , he led the seige of solitude , sure he didnt go to any other battle cus he was planning it and he is the figurehead , if he died so would the cause , they are very passionate and refuse to be pushed around by the thalmor or empire and please no one bring up that thalmor dossier where they marked him as a dormant asset , he and the thalmor only ever shared one goal ever and that was stormcloaks taking the reach , he has done nothing but go against them , they marked them as an asset becuase they are so arrogant and think they can manipulate him , at the end of the war he states he knew the thalmor wanted a weakened empire but he fought anyway because he wasnt going to let skyrim be pushed around be the thalmor , and he is not racist , he is inconsiderate of the dark elves yes because he gives them refuge and they refuse to help in the war effort against the empire , its like letting a homeless person live in your house and all he does is eat your food and refuses to help you around the house in anyway and then says you are discriminating against homeless people when you get mad o.0

Yeah I felt like you I thought I was the only one who liked him. He's probably my favorite character from the game.

Ulfric is a boss, but I sided with Imperials this time.

I like him. Most arguments against him on this forum just tend to be screams of "RACISTS!" without much evidence, other than he's not taking time out of his day to take care of a bunch of people who are self governing, do not pay taxes and are not bound to his laws in his own city.

Also, he's got an epic voice.