Who likes Ulfric Stormcloak? : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:56 pm

Ulfric is like a Germanic man back in Roman times who hates Romans with a passion. But he will die like so many Germanic tribes did against Rome until their massive hordes finally over whelmed them. They were subdued along the Roman boarder with Roman boarders not changing much for about 400 years.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:04 am

Balgruuf is the wisest of all. I was so glad to defend him from Ulfric′s hordes.
You see a clear example here. Ulfric orders to DESTROY Witherun. He dont even care to destroy his own people and land just to complete his personal power lust. Its a mindless barbarian.

He doesn't destroy whiterun. The only people who die are the guards and pathetic Imperial soldiers who should get the $%^& out of Skyrim! He doesn't even kill Balgruuf.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:18 pm

No. He gave Balgruuf a choice to join up with him. He declined.

I heared that before... he sound so Imperialist speaking that way. "He will join us or Die... master"
He sounds even more Imperialist that the empire itself. "Lets sit and talk , lets use diplomacy, lets ally and settle up differencies so we can join together and fight the Thalmor, our REAL enemy"
But too much to ask for Ulfric. "Join me or be DESTROYED with your entire city and population" . Thats Ulfric Stormcloack.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:03 am

He doesn't destroy whiterun. The only people who die are the guards and pathetic Imperial soldiers who should get the $%^& out of Skyrim! He doesn't even kill Balgruuf.

Exactly because Nodric Tradition states that the Jarl can surrender and be spared

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:22 pm

I heared that before... he sound so Imperialist speaking that way. "He will join us or Die... master"
He sounds even more Imperialist that the empire itself. "Lets sit and talk , lets use diplomacy, lets ally and settle up differencies so we can join together and fight the Thalmor, our REAL enemy"
But too much to ask for Ulfric. "Join me or be DESTROYED with your entire city and population" . Thats Ulfric Stormcloack.

The giving of an Axe is another Nord tradition. It's how Ulfric was raised up.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:58 am

If he was mindless then he would have fought to the death before the game started when he was ambushed by Tullius. He would have killed Elisif, charged head-first into each hold without a plan, and most likely been slain for recklessness but instead he proved to be a thinker and do what was best for Nord Tradition

He cant. He killed the King and ran away like a Rat. And he does not fought when was ambushed because in the deep of his heart he is a coward. Thats why he dared to kill Torygg .

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:08 pm

He cant. He killed the King and ran away like a Rat. And he does not fought when was ambushed because in the deep of his heart he is a coward. Thats why he dared to kill Torygg .

A coward stands in the frontlines during a battle with his Thu'um leading the way? Something Tullius doesn't dare do! You can't call Ulfric a coward with a straight-face.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:08 pm

The giving of an Axe is another Nord tradition. It's how Ulfric was raised up.

So full of nordic traditions that seems just like the perfect excuses to throw his plan out.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:34 pm

I like Ulfric, he is cool.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:24 pm

He cant. He killed the King and ran away like a Rat. And he does not fought when was ambushed because in the deep of his heart he is a coward. Thats why he dared to kill Torygg .

To challenge the King in the Capital among all his guards is not cowardly at all

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:03 am

He cant. He killed the King and ran away like a Rat. And he does not fought when was ambushed because in the deep of his heart he is a coward. Thats why he dared to kill Torygg .

First off wouldn't you run if an entire town of people were chasing you with sharp objects? And secondly he surrendered at Darkwater Crossing because he had Soldiers and innocents with him. And the Imperials would have just killed the innocents.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:47 pm

A coward stands in the frontlines during a battle with his Thu'um leading the way? Something Tullius doesn't dare do!

I bet you, if he was on Torygg shoes (Someone more stronger beating him to duel ) he should refused.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:43 am

I bet you, if he was on Torygg shoes (Someone more stronger beating him to duel ) he should refused.

I saw no evidence in Skyrim of Ulfric ever backing down from a fight

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:50 am

First off wouldn't you run if an entire town of people were chasing you with sharp objects? And secondly he surrendered at Darkwater Crossing because he had Soldiers and innocents with him. ANd the Imperials would have just killed the innocents.

Why chase him if he was followin Nordic traditions ?? Oh wait... he was not doing the Peoples Bidding ? He was just pursuing a personal ambition and MURDERING the king for nothing? So he would be high king of a mob that pursues him with sharpened objects?
I find the whole scene Funny.
He was not even able to stop by and speak to "his" people. He has not the autority.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:47 pm

I saw no evidence in Skyrim of Ulfric ever backing down from a fight

I saw no eveidence of the opposite.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:57 pm

Why chase him if he was followin Nordic traditions ?? Oh wait... he was not doing the Peoples Bidding ? He was just pursuing a personal ambition and MURDERING the king for nothing? So he would be high king of a mob that pursues him with sharpened objects?
I find the whole scene Funny.
He was not even able to stop by and speak to "his" people. He has not the autority.

Once again. No. How could he address his people as you say if he was being attacked by guards? How?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:06 am

I feel Ulfric is extremely arrogant. I kind of wish that you could fight him.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:54 pm

If it is an Accepted Challenge then it is not Murder by Nord Tradition, unfortunately the Empire has altered the LAW to not quite respect tradition even though that is not their right. So they see Ulfric as a Criminal even though by tradition (and the original laws of Skyrim) he is an Honorable Leader

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:14 pm

Once again. No. How could he address his people as you say if he was being attacked by guards? How?

The guards of Solitude are mostly Nords. Even the Legionaries are mostly Nords.
If he is so Nord traditionalist, and so honorable, and so enlightened... why they tried to chase him?
If he followed the traditions, they just have to declare him High King and hail him.
But no, because HE MURDERED the King.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:27 am

If it is an Accepted Challenge then it is not Murder by Nord Tradition, unfortunately the Empire has altered the LAW to not quite respect tradition even though that is not their right. So they see Ulfric as a Criminal even though by tradition (and the original laws of Skyrim) he is an Honorable Leader

So, just for fun, Ulfric decides to throw to hell the Laws of his entire province (as Skyrim was fully part of the Empire) and by killing the King. Just to unleash a civil war, who just bring more suffering to his people. splits the forces, and weakens the Empire and Skyrim.
As I said before... I can see the Dominion leaders laughing with pleasure at Ulfric′s actions.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:17 am

The guards of Solitude are mostly Nords. Even the Legionaries are mostly Nords.
If he is so Nord traditionalist, and so honorable, and so enlightened... why they tried to chase him?
If he followed the traditions, they just have to declare him High King and hail him.
But no, because HE MURDERED the King.

Winning a duel does not mean you get to be King, the Moot decides that. Not every Nord still follows tradition and some are just completely devoted to the Empire. They did not witness the duel and so when some imbecile (Elisif i am guessing) ran out and shouted "Ulfric unjustly killed the King" everyone just went with it instead of asking for Ulfric's side

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:15 am

The guards of Solitude are mostly Nords. Even the Legionaries are mostly Nords.
If he is so Nord traditionalist, and so honorable, and so enlightened... why they tried to chase him?
If he followed the traditions, they just have to declare him High King and hail him.
But no, because HE MURDERED the King.

They have no right to declare him high king and neither does Ulfric himself. Only the Jarls at the moot have that right.

Edit: Ninja'ed

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:38 pm

So, I am right, He done that just for personal ambition. He just want his war, his Kingdom founded over the dead bodyes of his enemies.
In the time Tamriel is passing by, the last thing I desire is a war maniac king.
Lets back to my Dunmeri thinking. If Ulfric win the war, not just will ne weakened, as the Empire.
He would have free road to reclaim back Solstheim, and even send raid parties to Morrowind, as we dont see from the 1st Era.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:43 pm

I actually like Ulfric. He's a bit rough around the edges, I'll agree but that's a true Nord for you. He was never racist toward anyone, he even made Khajiit welcome unlike the imperials.

My mind was made up right at the start of the game. Imperials were about to chop my head off simply because I was in the wrong place at the right time. If that's what living under Imperial rule is going to be like, I'll stand against them.

My only regret is that the Jarl of Solitude was nice to the people and open with her own past, her sadness about what would happen if Ulfric won really got to me. She would never side with Ulfric because of what he did to her husband.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:41 pm

So, I am right, He done that just for personal ambition. He just want his war, his Kingdom founded over the dead bodyes of his enemies.
In the time Tamriel is passing by, the last thing I desire is a war maniac king.
Lets back to my Dunmeri thinking. If Ulfric win the war, not just will ne weakened, as the Empire.
He would have free road to reclaim back Solstheim, and even send raid parties to Morrowind, as we dont see from the 1st Era.

where is any proof what-so-ever he would do that? there is none. and his rise to power is not some personal ambition, it is because he is actually devout to talos and, like a true worshipper of any religion should, he stood up for his god even when times got hard (and he is attempting to actually do something other than sit on his ass and get killed like the empire would have everyone do).