Who likes Ulfric Stormcloak? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:05 am

The civil war only serves Thalmor purposes. Imagine the fest the Dominion will have if Ulfric win the civil war... Skyrim in ruins, and the Empire heavily weakened.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:25 pm

Torygg respected Ulfric. Even Elisif said that Torygg would join Ulfric′s cause if asked. But no. The so "honorable" man, walked in to the palace and killed him. Torygg was no coward and that costed him the life and skyrim so many other lifes. Pointless. His behaviour was just the one of a barbarian, blood thirsty. He wanted power, and for that, he murdered Torygg instead of counceling him.

Torygg made his choice. That is all there is to it.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:25 pm

Torygg made his choice. That is all there is to it.

Thats it. The problem its not Toryyg′s choice. Is Ulfric′s one!!

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:07 pm

Torygg didn't have to fight. It was his own choice.

Actually, he did. Not accepting would mean dishonor and most likely losing his throne. Accepting would most likely mean an honorable death. He chose the later.

And Ulfric was fully aware of this, too. Which was his point, in his opinion (and according to Nord tradition), the High King should be a strong military leader, which Torygg was far from. I'm not saying it was right (certainly not by modern standards), but given the culture and traditions in that society, it makes sense.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:55 pm

Thats it. The problem its not Toryyg′s choice. Is Ulfric′s one!!

Torygg did not have to accept.

Actually, he did. Not accepting would mean dishonor and most likely losing his throne. Accepting would most likely mean an honorable death. He chose the later.

And Ulfric was fully aware of this, too. Which was his point, in his opinion (and according to Nord tradition), the High King should be a strong military leader, which Torygg was far from. I'm not saying it was right (certainly not by modern standards), but given the culture and traditions in that society, it makes sense.

If Torygg was not smart enough to choose life over glory he wasn't fit to lead Skyrim.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:05 pm

Ulfric did things the way Nords do in their own fashion of Honor. The Empire may see that differently but Ulfric was raised like that and to him it was a Just action

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:37 pm

Actually, he did. Not accepting would mean dishonor and most likely losing his throne. Accepting would most likely mean an honorable death. He chose the later.

And Ulfric was fully aware of this, too. Which was his point, in his opinion (and according to Nord tradition), the High King should be a strong military leader, which Torygg was far from. I'm not saying it was right (certainly not by modern standards), but given the culture and traditions in that society, it makes sense.

The problem there is the timing. Ulfric just throw the entire province in a civil war, in the time the Empire were more weakened. If he was so brave, why he fought for the Empire before? Why he does not refused that? Because he was powerlust. He was blinded by his arrogance. Even he pushed the formation of the Forsworn.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:07 am

The civil war only serves Thalmor purposes. Imagine the fest the Dominion will have if Ulfric win the civil war... Skyrim in ruins, and the Empire heavily weakened.

The Empire would be fine if they left Skyrim alone. Hell if they had let Skyrim become independent whose to say Skyrim and the Empire wouldn't have joined in an alliance against the Thalmor?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:08 pm

Ulfric did things the way Nords do in their own fashion of Honor. The Empire may see that differently but Ulfric was raised like that and to him it was a Just action

Then why not all the Jarls standed with him? Because some of them were reasonable, and know that Ulfric action was precipitated, and in the worst time ever.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:35 am

Ulfric is better than the imperials...damn imperials...imperials are a bunch of pricks

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:53 am

The Empire would be fine if they left Skyrim alone. Hell if they had let Skyrim become independent whose to say Skyrim and the Empire wouldn't have joined in an alliance against the Thalmor?

Because if the Empire abandoned Skyrim, and let it become independant, Ulfric should lead it and will NEVER allie the Empire. They probably signed up a "not agression pact" with the dominion, and should watched the Empire being dominated and destroyed.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:50 am

The problem there is the timing. Ulfric just throw the entire province in a civil war, in the time the Empire were more weakened. If he was so brave, why he fought for the Empire before? Why he does not refused that? Because he was powerlust. He was blinded by his arrogance. Even he pushed the formation of the Forsworn.

No. After we beat the Elves in the Great War, the Emperor signed the White Gold Concordant. That is unacceptable the Thalmor have no right to tell anyone who to worship. Dovahkiin, The Newly arisen Dragon Of The North will rise up and stop the Thalmor who want to usher in a new Dawn Age and put out the Dragonfires!!!

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:23 am

You dont get the point. As a Redoran thinker, firstly , he killed his king, he is not honorable. What kind of people will follow a murderer? Bandits, lawless, and decacent people. So, you can see the reflex in the society of windhelm. A bunch of excluded and insulted refugees, one or two decent people. and a bunch of mercenaries.

Refugees who were given free land by their old enemies, when the Dunmer themselves had fought Nords for such disputed areas as Solstheim. What did the empire do for the Dunmer after Vvardenfell? What did anyone else do but the Nords? Most of the Dunmer are making the best of the situation and will tell you they are trying to earn respect by working hard, and the Altmer in the city also own property and businesses. It's wartime so of course there's unhappiness and tensions are stirred up. But it's not "OMG Ulfric is a NAZI."

Others have already addressed him being a "murderer." He's not only honorable, he's a bloody hero.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:29 pm

Because if the Empire abandoned Skyrim, and let it become independant, Ulfric should lead it and will NEVER allie the Empire. They probably signed up a "not agression pact" with the dominion, and should watched the Empire being dominated and destroyed.

Ulfric pass up the chance to kill Thalmor? Are you being serious? Do you have any idea what they did to him in the Great War?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:13 am

Not every Jarl is going to go against the Empire that they have been apart of all their lives, but that does not make them right or wrong in contrast to Ulfric. Tradition states that Ulfric was right to challenge a King who was unfit to rule

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:20 am

Ulfric pass up the chance to kill Thalmor? Are you being serious? Do you have any idea what they did to him in the Great War?

Yes. But also he also is defiling the empire, strenghtening the Dominion. Is he so short sighted to not realize that? He may fight the dominion, but never allie to the Empire. And if he does that, all his civil war was a really stupid thing

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:28 pm

Not every Jarl is going to go against the Empire that they have been apart of all their lives, but that does not make them right or wrong in contrast to Ulfric. Tradition states that Ulfric was right to challenge a King who was unfit to rule

This. It still upsets me that i had to dethrone Balgruuf The Greater in Whiterun. He was my friend. As well as Igmund in Markarth.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:25 am

Refugees who were given free land by their old enemies, when the Dunmer themselves had fought Nords for such disputed areas as Solstheim. What did the empire do for the Dunmer after Vvardenfell? What did anyone else do but the Nords? Most of the Dunmer are making the best of the situation and will tell you they are trying to earn respect by working hard, and the Altmer in the city also own property and businesses. It's wartime so of course there's unhappiness and tensions are stirred up. But it's not "OMG Ulfric is a NAZI."

Others have already addressed him being a "murderer." He's not only honorable, he's a bloody hero.

Nazi ? What have nazis to do with Ulfric ?
Besides that... Skyrim was PART OF THE EMPIRE when the Dunmer came along. So the King of Skyrim was subjet to the Emperor, and so, he let other Citizens of the Empire to be tanken as refugees.
We are not speaking here of a crazy mass killer. We are speaking of a murderer, a bandit who usurped the throne, disguised as a Nord Tradition, in the worst moment even imaginable

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:42 pm

This. It still upsets me that i had to dethrone Balgruuf The Greater in Whiterun. He was my friend. As well as Igmund in Markarth.

I feel that, i would place Balgruuf on the throne if only he would side with Ulfric

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:12 pm

No. After we beat the Elves in the Great War, the Emperor signed the White Gold Concordant. That is unacceptable the Thalmor have no right to tell anyone who to worship. Dovahkiin, The Newly arisen Dragon Of The North will rise up and stop the Thalmor who want to usher in a new Dawn Age and put out the Dragonfires!!!

I see. So Ulfric is a complete strategist. His plan is to divide the Empire, and waste the Imperial forces and his own fighting each other while the Dominion laughs. He should be called Julius "Ulfric" Caesar.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:01 am

I feel that, i would place Balgruuf on the throne if only he would side with Ulfric

Maybe Dawnguard will allow us to clean up some of the royalty in Skyrim. I like Ulfric. But he shouldn't be the High King.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:03 pm

hmmm Ulfric is a racist [censored]

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:12 pm

This. It still upsets me that i had to dethrone Balgruuf The Greater in Whiterun. He was my friend. As well as Igmund in Markarth.

Balgruuf is the wisest of all. I was so glad to defend him from Ulfric′s hordes.
You see a clear example here. Ulfric orders to DESTROY Witherun. He dont even care to destroy his own people and land just to complete his personal power lust. Its a mindless barbarian.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:21 pm

hmmm Ulfric is a racist [censored]

Show me one case where Ulfric says anything racist about anyone.

Balgruuf is the wisest of all. I was so glad to defend him from Ulfric′s hordes.
You see a clear example here. Ulfric orders to DESTROY Witherun. He dont even care to destroy his own people and land just to complete his personal power lust. Its a mindless barbarian.

No. He gave Balgruuf a choice to join up with him. He declined.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:56 pm

Balgruuf is the wisest of all. I was so glad to defend him from Ulfric′s hordes.
You see a clear example here. Ulfric orders to DESTROY Witherun. He dont even care to destroy his own people and land just to complete his personal power lust. Its a mindless barbarian.

If he was mindless then he would have fought to the death before the game started when he was ambushed by Tullius. He would have killed Elisif, charged head-first into each hold without a plan, and most likely been slain for recklessness but instead he proved to be a thinker and do what was best for Nord Tradition