Yes

In that case, I support the hypocrisy.

"Always?" They won once.

They also allowed the BoS to be all-but-destroyed in California.

My support begins when its used against murderers, ends when its used to kill children.

Technically, that wasn't Bethesda.

Also technically, the BoS doesn't want you to kill children, as evidenced by the objections Ingram has to leaving synth!Shaun behind. If talking about rl... well, we probably shouldn't be having this discussion here on the forums.

RR kills children and has no regrets about it.

He is just making up shenanigans to justify his siding with the Institute.......torture and murder of innocents in mass is all fine and well in his book.....but if a kid gets stuck in the crossfire to ensure the monsters never harm anyone again he starts preaching how unacceptable that is even if the only other alternative is to allow that kid to grow into a brainwashed torturer and murderer of innocents. Torture and murder.....it's for the kids.

The institute also kills children.

The best way forward is Brotherhood of Steel versus the NCR. I think both those endings should be canon, but we don't know the canon outcome of New Vegas yet, do we?

The NCR is in power, or at least controlling the Hoover Dam, if trader dialog is to be believed.

No, I always mean in-game because it's about Space Marines vs. Mad Scientists.

I also think the Institute is a bunch of evil bastards.

Or, more precisely, its leadership is and the society they're composed of is built on slavery and not all that good at science.

I think people are thrown because I argue their moral grayness due to the web of lies they weave and information compartmentalization they practice but Shaun is as evil as the Master if not worse, IMHO. Also, people think I support the Institute because I chose that ending versus the fact the Railroad ending simply felt too good and noble.

I wanted something 20% darker and more ambiguous.

Why I never choose NCR over House and Independence (but also why I never choose Caesar).

There is dialogue in Fallout 4 confirming this? Did not know. Good, the NCR would have been made canon by Obsidian anyway if they were to do another game in the West.

But if you chose House and played good karma, he held to your ideas and the wastes were better off because of it. He's truly the best ending because yesman is only useful as long as you are alive to direct him.

Yeah.

Still, the problem with the Railroad is that it does come off as way too "neat" for me as an ending, just like the Minutemen. Patriot ends up committing suicide and his family dies in the process but, really, the whole thing still ends up on way-way too uplifting a note. All of the slaves are freed, the Institute is destroyed, and the BoS are destroyed in such a way the Commonwealth is free from their influence.

Better still, allied with the Minutemen, the Commonwealth can become a safe and secure place where evil does not undermine the rights ot the individual. For those of us who like plucky underdogs and hate tyrants (like myself), it's as close to a Good Karma ending as anything in The Capital Wasteland.

And that's....boring to me.

The BOS can't win, though, because that would lock too much of the East Coast into "civilized" territory and Bethesda isn't going to shoot the Golden Goose.

No it doesn't?

Having a centralized government doesn't make everything just work. The NCR proved that.

House is neutral Karma but I don't foresee him having a complete change of heart either. For me, I tend to choose Independence because I can headcanon the Courier wants to establish a democracy with robots to provide the security NCR could.

A Mojave Republic.

But headcanon always will trump actual canon.

Either way, the loss of Robert House is a LOSS to mankind! AND SCIENCE!

No, that's literally the ending if you play good karma and choose house. youtube it. You rub off on him.

Yeah but messy RL government doesn't equate to being bad either.

NCR is a corrupt bloated engine half on the verge of collapse but it still seems better than anything else in the Wasteland but Space Jesus ruling them.

It's why I can't side with NCR in the Mojave. As *BAD* as the game alludes to annexing the Mojave can be, it all is depicted as so nice and saccharine in its consequences I could never choose that as the canonical ending.

Better the uncertain future of the Independent Mojave or the cold despotism of a Technocratic Tyrant.

House is basically Baron Wulfenbach if you know anything about Girl Genius.

Yes, the game says he's proud of the Courier and supports his efforts.

And it also lists the mass murdered Kings.

I've played Good Karma House endings.

I *LIKE* House.

I'm not really arguing here.

Just pointing out for freedom obsessed liberals and anti-authoritarian types like myself that Independent and Minutemen/Railroad are going to consider it the "Good" ending versus the authoritarian BoS and Institute.

But is the leadership evil? Ayo is a bit of a dike, sure. But is Clayton, and the others? (Mind you, idk all that much about them since I'm not that far into my pro-Institute playthrough).

idk what girl genius is.

There's plenty of room for raiders and whatnot with the BoS controlling the eastern board. Especially because the majority of the law enforcement wouldn't actually be power armored knights.

Shaun is pretty much the evil heart of the Institute and has absolute authority over the other divisions. All of the atrocities it commits pretty much come back to him and he heads a cult of personality where he's worshiped by both the Synths and humans.

And apparently, he was given his appointment by an EQUALLY [censored] director before him.

Even so, most of the Institute heads are fairly decent people, yes. The head of SRD being the worst.

It's a webcomic.

The premise is a girl with mad science powers in the 19th century sets out to stop the mad scientist emperor of Europe who conquered it a decade ago.

The thing is, she finds out he conquered it because he wanted to bring peace and order to a chaotic warring time.

And he did it.

Which complicates matters.

Is Shaun truly evil though? He seems morally misguided, but well intentioned to me... He's certainly not malicious.

Don't know the comic but from what you're saying I'd definitely be siding with the mad scientist here.