[Brιonα Renae]

*taps fingers while testing this out* well my ps3 just took a whole 43 seconds while my old 360 from launch just took 15 seconds, also just to state, its been proven bluray is slow as heck for pulling information off the discs.

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/34888/skyrim-ps3-vs-360-load-times

These average times have been posted repeatedly across the net by various sources, with a variance of a second or two here or there, but on most applications the game loads faster PS3. The only difference is the loading of a saved game, which comes off the HDD. That said, I know my load times are fairly quick compared to a stock PS3 since I upgraded my HDD a long time ago...but I don't take that into account because that's a personal experience, not the average clocked times and general consensus.

And where has this been proven? If you have a 12x BRD versus a 12x DVD drive, that bluray drive is going to blow the doors off that DVD drive. As I said before, the BRD for a PS3 is only a 2x which is comparable to the lower end speeds of a 12x DVD drive.

Now we could go into hypotheticals here with the ifs and buts were candy and nuts blah blah....but had the PS3 BRD been upgradable to even a 4x BRD, it's constant read speed would exceed the maximum a 12x DVD drive...remember, maximum. 12x DVD drives don't hit maximum all the time, not even half the time. Just saying, it just seems to me you know nothing about the difference between read speeds of DVD drive, the BRDrive, and how they function differently because a BRD has no min or max, it just is.


Sorry, you're claims are very broad and all-encompassing when you don't even seem to realize how fast a BRD can be.


And getting back on topic of Skyrim, Dawnguard, and the PS3, your claim that it is the Bluray's fault for the issues with the game is just absolutely ridonkulous. I mean, do you have any statistical data or anolysis that can prove this claim? It's just really farfetched and technically speaking doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Georgia Fullalove]

*taps fingers while testing this out* well my ps3 just took a whole 43 seconds while my old 360 from launch just took 15 seconds, also just to state, its been proven bluray is slow as heck for pulling information off the discs.

Why do I smell the scent of a bitter outcasted HD-DVD backer harking from the HD-DVD/Blueray wars?

[Lynne Hinton]

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/34888/skyrim-ps3-vs-360-load-times

These average times have been posted repeatedly across the net by various sources, with a variance of a second or two here or there, but on most applications the game loads faster PS3. The only difference is the loading of a saved game, which comes off the HDD. That said, I know my load times are fairly quick compared to a stock PS3 since I upgraded my HDD a long time ago...but I don't take that into account because that's a personal experience, not the average clocked times and general consensus.

And where has this been proven? If you have a 12x BRD versus a 12x DVD drive, that bluray drive is going to blow the doors off that DVD drive. As I said before, the BRD for a PS3 is only a 2x which is comparable to the lower end speeds of a 12x DVD drive.

Now we could go into hypotheticals here with the ifs and buts were candy and nuts blah blah....but had the PS3 BRD been upgradable to even a 4x BRD, it's constant read speed would exceed the maximum a 12x DVD drive...remember, maximum. 12x DVD drives don't hit maximum all the time, not even half the time. Just saying, it just seems to me you know nothing about the difference between read speeds of DVD drive, the BRDrive, and how they function differently because a BRD has no min or max, it just is.


Sorry, you're claims are very broad and all-encompassing when you don't even seem to realize how fast a BRD can be.

doesnt use a dvd reader I use HD-DVD anyways, no i just find my ps3 load times just take forever but the difference is probably most gaming companies havn't integrated fully into using BDR cause of the 360 and the Wii.

[Andrew Lang]

Why do I smell the scent of a bitter outcasted HD-DVD backer harking from the HD-DVD/Blueray wars?

^This.

doesnt use a dvd reader I use HD-DVD anyways, no i just find my ps3 load times just take forever but the difference is probably most gaming companies havn't integrated fully into using BDR cause of the 360 and the Wii.

They could put games on DVD's and they would still run on the PS3. BRD are backwards compatible to HD-DVD's, DVD's, and CD's.

Maybe your PS3 has some hardware issues somewhere else? Maybe your Xbox is a newer and the components are less degraded from time and use? Could be a multiple of reasons. Or maybe because you loaded a saved game and did nothing else like check the average times of a new game load, or fast travelling, or entering a house, etc etc.

Again, personal experience is personal experience. The times posted are AVERAGE, across multiple platforms of the same times reported by users in the everyday world like me and you as well as techno testers and critics. I'm not doubting YOU, I'm just saying what you experience is not the norm.


Another thing that could be the difference is what is actually loading on each system. I'm pretty sure your savefiles are not identical to each other as I can practically guarantee it unless you're ambidextrious and have two thumbs and at least 4 fingers on each hand (if you do though, that would be freaking awesome and I want you on my team for the next Super Smash Brothers tournament)




Anyways, peace out. I gotta go figure out my groomsmen gifts.

[Darrell Fawcett]

They could put games on DVD's and they would still run on the PS3. BRD are backwards compatible to HD-DVD's, DVD's, and CD's.

Maybe your PS3 has some hardware issues somewhere else? Maybe your Xbox is a newer and the components are less degraded from time and use? Could be a multiple of reasons. Or maybe because you loaded a saved game and did nothing else like check the average times of a new game load, or fast travelling, or entering a house, etc etc.

Again, personal experience is personal experience. The times posted are AVERAGE, across multiple platforms of the same times reported by users in the everyday world like me and you as well as techno testers and critics. I'm not doubting YOU, I'm just saying what you experience is not the norm.


Another thing that could be the difference is what is actually loading on each system. I'm pretty sure your savefiles are not identical to each other as I can practically guarantee it unless you're ambidextrious and have two thumbs and at least 4 fingers on each hand (if you do though, that would be freaking awesome and I want you on my team for the next Super Smash Brothers tournament)




Anyways, peace out. I gotta go figure out my groomsmen gifts.

my xbox is from 360s launch date so its archaic, but well maintained... dunno think my ps3 might be an older model i remember hearing issues with the old BR system with the first slims where pretty bad.

[Marcia Renton]

my xbox is from 360s launch date so its archaic, but well maintained... dunno think my ps3 might be an older model i remember hearing issues with the old BR system with the first slims where pretty bad.

The very first PS3 system had the BR system just fail. Had to get that fixed.

My first 360 got RROD like a year or two after everyones RROD had already been fixed. That has still yet to be fixed...

[Emma Louise Adams]

my 40Gb PS3 has never had any problems and Skyrim launches fast enough compared to other games.

[Tammie Flint]

my xbox is from 360s launch date so its archaic, but well maintained... dunno think my ps3 might be an older model i remember hearing issues with the old BR system with the first slims where pretty bad.

the first slims had their issues, but the failure rate was still within the norm of what ps3 has had (roughly 10%) of whenever they had a new model released. my buddy got one and it did not work right. thankfully, even with a trade in that he did, he had the 1st year warranty and the fully replaced it with another one free of charge. I don't have a launch model PS3, mine is about 6 months post-launch, a 40gb model and of those 40gb the one I chose apparently has the lowest failure rate. since upgraded to 320gb hdd.

The very first PS3 system had the BR system just fail. Had to get that fixed.

My first 360 got RROD like a year or two after everyones RROD had already been fixed. That has still yet to be fixed...

the BR player (system) is what I assume you're talking about on mine did fail too, but that was mainly because I dropped the bastard on my foot and must have rattled the laser.

It wasn't really the software that failed on mine, it was a physical problem. the actual mechanical device which starts the spinning of the BRDisc would fail to engage and give loud clicking noises (there's usually two of these devices in BRDrive and DVDDrives, one which starts the disc and the other keeps it going). from what I heard, this is not a common problem and i'm pretty sure mine was a direct result of dropping it four feet onto to my toe/foot/newly installed hardwood floors. the slightly cracked and warped corner of the casing is still there.

that was a pain in the ass though because I didn't trust Sony (nor would I trust any manufacturer in regards to this) with the aftermarket parts I had installed on the PS3 which at the time was the 320gb hdd.


I had a couple different Xbox's. Again, 6 months post launch (I never get consoles at launch, the failure rates are just higher plus you never know what new stuff can be added, which there wasn't much difference but the 40gb Playstations were definitely a more stable platform then their 20gb counterparts) and a little after a year had the RROD and I rarely played the Xbox. Got it replaced with a new one and that one failed within months. I didn't replace it simply because I didn't use it as much for gaming (though I love it's music player visuals MUCH more than the PS3's) because none of their exclusives captivated me anymore and already dealt with a failure twice and didn't want to spend any more money on the issue. There were a lot of perks with the system, but the experiences outweighed the potential advantages for me personally.

[Kari Depp]

Load time wars aside......Does anyone realistically think this is coming out?......I find myself caring less and less by the day. Not trying to throw in useless commentary, but lack of interest is going to be a bigger issue as time passes.

[Sara Johanna Scenariste]

Load time wars aside......Does anyone realistically think this is coming out?......I find myself caring less and less by the day. Not trying to throw in useless commentary, but lack of interest is going to be a bigger issue as time passes.

This is most likely Bethesda's only viable exit strategy at this point.

Keep stringing the PS3 customers along until enough of them lose any real interest in DLC. Then they can shelve Skyrim DLC(as actual DLC) for the PS3 citing said cultivated lack of interest and move on to other projects. One of which will most likely be a PS3 GotY edition dropping in 2013 that will magically have all the major DLC bundled in ala Oblivion, FO3, and FONV.

[Kira! :)))]

Load time wars aside......Does anyone realistically think this is coming out?......I find myself caring less and less by the day. Not trying to throw in useless commentary, but lack of interest is going to be a bigger issue as time passes.

I'd give it 50/50. Why would Bethesda release it if no one is going to buy it?

Pete Hines has also claimed that Dawnguard is not the only DLC they are working on getting to the playstation. You'd think they'd focus all the PS3 coders on getting Dawnguard out first before the other DLC. If they can get the problems fixed for Dawnguard, it would probably set them on the right path to getting other DLCs to work.

[ashleigh bryden]

This is most likely Bethesda's only viable exit strategy at this point.

Keep stringing the PS3 customers along until enough of them lose any real interest in DLC. Then they can shelve Skyrim DLC(as actual DLC) for the PS3 citing said cultivated lack of interest and move on to other projects. One of which will most likely be a PS3 GotY edition dropping in 2013 that will magically have all the major DLC bundled in ala Oblivion, FO3, and FONV.

And a special bonus, only available on the PS3.

ABSOLUTELY NO BUG FIXES FOR TEH PS3! THAT'S RIGHT, ORDER NOW AND EXPERIENCE A COMPLETLEY LAGGY, AND GAME CRASHING GAME FOR THE LOW COST OF 60 DOLLARS! ACT NOW AND WE'LL THROW IN A CRAPPY EXCUSE FOR NOT FIXING THE GAME!

[Rudi Carter]

I'd give it 50/50. Why would Bethesda release it if no one is going to buy it?

Recoup the expenses of development. Bethesda has spent money to get Dawnguard to work on the ps3 even if the wait has a significant effect on the sales(I doubt it) its still money in the bank. People say they are losing interest but that doesn't make it true.

If one is coming in here and complaining they've lost interest they haven't really lost interest. The sales for Fallout 3 DLC after an eight month wait was impressive enough for New Vegas to receive all the DLC and at least for Bethedsa to claim they'd get all the skyrim DLC for the ps3. So really the biggest financial damage to bethesda with this long wait for DLC is a loss of interest the money could have accured in the bank had the ps3 verison been released alongside the pc verison.

Pete Hines has also claimed that Dawnguard is not the only DLC they are working on getting to the playstation. You'd think they'd focus all the PS3 coders on getting Dawnguard out first before the other DLC. If they can get the problems fixed for Dawnguard, it would probably set them on the right path to getting other DLCs to work.

I believe what Pete said was more DLC complicates the issues and in any event making both Hearthfire, Dawnguard and whatever third DLC is cooking run fine together on the ps3 is easier before one of them is released.

[Sarah Unwin]

Just can't bring myself to even play Skyrim anymore; To many things popping up in the screen as i travel. I hate seeing textures pop up every second i move.

[abi]

Wow, its hard to understand how Bethesda could keep messing things up and not learn from their mistakes. It's damn annoying when a company says they have placed more attention into a product, and then can't even release a single DLC. Lying, no apologies, slow patches, and probably having to pay full price for DG is not the way business, or anything for that matter, should be run. Bethesda, please get your crap together.

[Bedford White]

the first slims had their issues, but the failure rate was still within the norm of what ps3 has had (roughly 10%) of whenever they had a new model released. my buddy got one and it did not work right. thankfully, even with a trade in that he did, he had the 1st year warranty and the fully replaced it with another one free of charge. I don't have a launch model PS3, mine is about 6 months post-launch, a 40gb model and of those 40gb the one I chose apparently has the lowest failure rate. since upgraded to 320gb hdd.




the BR player (system) is what I assume you're talking about on mine did fail too, but that was mainly because I dropped the bastard on my foot and must have rattled the laser.

It wasn't really the software that failed on mine, it was a physical problem. the actual mechanical device which starts the spinning of the BRDisc would fail to engage and give loud clicking noises (there's usually two of these devices in BRDrive and DVDDrives, one which starts the disc and the other keeps it going). from what I heard, this is not a common problem and i'm pretty sure mine was a direct result of dropping it four feet onto to my toe/foot/newly installed hardwood floors. the slightly cracked and warped corner of the casing is still there.

that was a pain in the ass though because I didn't trust Sony (nor would I trust any manufacturer in regards to this) with the aftermarket parts I had installed on the PS3 which at the time was the 320gb hdd.


I had a couple different Xbox's. Again, 6 months post launch (I never get consoles at launch, the failure rates are just higher plus you never know what new stuff can be added, which there wasn't much difference but the 40gb Playstations were definitely a more stable platform then their 20gb counterparts) and a little after a year had the RROD and I rarely played the Xbox. Got it replaced with a new one and that one failed within months. I didn't replace it simply because I didn't use it as much for gaming (though I love it's music player visuals MUCH more than the PS3's) because none of their exclusives captivated me anymore and already dealt with a failure twice and didn't want to spend any more money on the issue. There were a lot of perks with the system, but the experiences outweighed the potential advantages for me personally.

Mine simply wouldn't load anything. It could play DVD's, but nothing else.

[Makenna Nomad]

Mine simply wouldn't load anything. It could play DVD's, but nothing else.

your blue ray lens failed mine did that too had to buy new one then got my old one fixed there are 2 lenses ones a blue ray ones for dvds

[Nathan Barker]

your blue ray lens failed mine did that too had to buy new one then got my old one fixed there are 2 lenses ones a blue ray ones for dvds

Yes, this was the one downside to the bluray player in the early PS3's. The technology was still kind of new so not only was the price high on even a 2x BRD, but they weren't as sound as the ones that are out there today.

I love that the HDD was upgradable. Even though the 2x is plenty of speed for gaming because it's always constant, I would have loved it the BRD was upgradable too. Slap a 4x in there.

[Sammygirl]

Come On bethesda launch dawnguard for ps3 now!! What you earn is so tardy that Ps3 players get angry with you for your patronage with Microsoft. I find it hard to believe a company with expert programmers can not even fix this content. This is really embarrassing.

[Darrell Fawcett]

1 question, I don't want this to sound mean or anything along the lines of that, but if the PS3 Platform has "delays" on Dawnguard or even if it isn't going to be released for PS3, answer me this. Why was Skyrim released for this platform if Dawnguard or even all the other DLC's to come are not going to be on the PS3?

-Soul

[Kortniie Dumont]

1 question, I don't want this to sound mean or anything along the lines of that, but if the PS3 Platform has "delays" on Dawnguard or even if it isn't going to be released for PS3, answer me this. Why was Skyrim released for this platform if Dawnguard or even all the other DLC's to come are not going to be on the PS3?

-Soul

Simple, Bethesda likes money. That's why instead of delaying the PS3 version of Skyrim, they released it broken. Now they're trying to act like they're taking responsibility and fixing Skyrim and Dawnguard, but we all know that anything Bethesda releases will be buggy. Regardless of whatever effort they put into it.

[Robert]

I wonder if we'll get an update Tuesday since Hearthfire's one month exclusive is up on Thursday.

[ONLY ME!!!!]

I wonder if we'll get an update Tuesday since Hearthfire's one month exclusive is up on Thursday.

no

[kyle pinchen]

I wonder if we'll get an update Tuesday since Hearthfire's one month exclusive is up on Thursday.

And don't expect any sort of release date announcement for Hearthfire, either.

[Emma Parkinson]

Dawnguard will never come. Period.