I agree, I'm not saying what they are doing is right and I would like to see each and everyone of the Thalmors' heads on a pike circling around the Imperial city and the only real way for victory against the Thalmor is a united empire, not a broken one.


No but I know that at one point most nords who worshiped Talos didn't fear the Thalmor and did in fact have personal shrines of Talos before the stormcloak rebellion started, npcs have stated this.

So how is this about Ulfric then? You admit the thalmor would've been let in either way...

So if they had simply demanded access to Skyrim, the empire would have said no?

My Dragonborn is powerful enough to take on the Aldmeri Dominion single handedly, so I sent the empire packing; and, should those damn elves be stupid enough to try and take our freedom, I will be there to defend Skyrim as a true Nord.

Damn Elves, Damn filthy Imperial bastards.

If all they had to do was ask, then why did they have to use Ulfric to get into Skyrim?

Dissent.

The cornerd wolf is always the most ferocious

Could you tell me where you got this info?

The bloodline that made the Empire great is dead. The Empire we know now is alive, but no longer represents the people of Tamriel. Ulfric at least represents Skyrim.

People seem to think that Tullius is in charge of the Empire, when in fact he could be dropped like an argonian maids dress in a heart beat if it meant benefiting the Emperor and his goals.

For the time being Ulfric is the lesser of evils, there may be a time when he is not, however as of now I think he is the right decision.

They didn't.

I sat on the fence until I have spoken to most of the people in all the holds about how they feel about the war. Most simply want to get on with their lives after the great war.

Does not matter to me if the empire is alive or dead and I never liked Tiber Septim aka Talos since Daggerfall, I could care less if his worship is allowed.

- The Thalmor will be very happy if Skyrim broke away from the empire. Anything that make them happy I do not like, simply because of the way they talk to my dragonborn.
- Ulfric is pathetic and a coward. Right, challenge the High King to a duel and then abuse the power of the Voice? The only one allowed to shout people to their death is me - da Dragonborn. So he must die.
- The commoners prefer not to have a civil war.

Hence, while I cant decide if the Empire is dying or actually dead, I can make sure that Ulfric is very dead.

It depends on which side of the civil war is considered canon. If the Empire wins, I don't think they'll die off. General Tullius may not be one for Nordic culture, but he comes across as a very astute fellow and I can...
If the Stormcloaks win, then I can see High Rock rolling the dice and going for independence too.

The Empire will survive. TES without the Empire would be like Star Trek without the Federation.

Not to devalue your view on the situation, but there are a couple of things that imply that the Thalmot do not have as much infuence as they want you to think.

I sometimes wonder if Imperial players notice how black and white "the empire is the only thing that can defeat the Thalmor" sounds. That seems pretty uncharacteristic of Bethesda.

Now that we can agree on the Dominion has been gaining power steadily these past two centuries and the empire has been losing it the only way to combat this threat is unity that is better for everyone in the face of the world ending. That is far more Important than any silly war.

The Dominion lost a lot of power and men in the Great War and with their slow reproduction they're trying to tie the Empire up as much as possible.

I always wonder why people think the thalmor would be capable of launching an attack on skyrim, If I recall the map correctly, it would take a long and costly travel with ships to one of the most inhospitable sea's. full of pirates, hammerfall war ships. Skyrim warships. what not only makes it quite difficult to move supply's into skyrim. but makes an full retreat also quite impossible.

That said, the empire was already stationed in skyrim, they had support of half skyrim, And knew the terrain probably equally as their stormcloack counterparts. If the thalmor dare to invade skyrim, they have the entire population out for their blood, very little knowledge about the terrain. you might think the terrain of skyrim is of no qonsequens to the thalmor, but remember a lot of wars both in real life and in game has been lost due the fact the terrain was to alien for the soldiers, which froze to death, or lost in a random swamp.

With that in mind, it would severly weaken the borders of the Aldmeri Dominion to attack Skyrim, what could result in a attack of the empire.
I am convinced it would be a stupid move for the Aldmeri Dominion to attack skyrim, as it would leave Alinor extremely vurnable.

Simple observation and in-game dialogue, the empire holds more holds then Ulfric and even the people inside Stormcloak territory don't show any interest towards the stormcloaks save for Windhelm which seems to be the place with the most stormcloak support.


If you join the imperial side of the civil war then Tulius will admit that he may have been a tad ignorant and plans to change this by having Rikke teach him about nord culture and custom while Ulfric just shows signs of being oppressive and forceful to get his way towards the Jarls, qualities of a Tyrant also High Rock loves the empire, always had and I highly doubt they'd fight along side Ulfric.


If you actually read a lot of the lore surrounding the septim dynasty you'll find that they really aren't that great, they've had several incidents and have shown numerous amounts of weakness, hell even Tiber Septim seems like a dike if you read most of his lore. Also Your claim that Medes II only uses people to further his own desires, this is literally nothing but a biased opinion :\ we see no evidence of him being like that.

But Ulfric is far from the right decision, he is a horrible leader, a coward, a traitor and a tyrant. He will not be able to fight the Dominion off as much as a unified empire.


No, not really the Empire has always been glorified in Bethesda games, dating back to the first and second empires. The third empire wasn't the only one that was powerful or strong and the fourth empire is very strong. I believe as a unified empire it can restore Tamriel to a somewhat peaceful continent unlike a divided one which would happen if every province turned independent which would just lead to more wars and unworthy claims to land or wars to conquer each other.

The Empire sure was glorified when they were crippled and forced to sign the WGC.

Its called a tactic, many countries had to do the same thing in real life in order to build its power back and launch another attack but Ulfric and his little band of traitors are too thick-headed to actually see this and prefer filling lies and slander into the public which only works on a selected few as seen in game.

They lost a quarter of their forces doing it. Plus the however many thousands who died.

My point is that never makes fools of us all and a story that never changes is a boring one. Bethesda wouldn't include the option to be a separatist if it wasn't a valid option.

They lost hammerfell a a few nords to the Stormcloak rebellion, but this still doesn't change the fact that there are nords that either prefer the empire or just see the stormcloak rebellion as hot air being blow out by Ulfric, and he doesn't appear to have as much support among the nords as most Stormcloak fans think.

Exactly if another war starts between the empire and Skyrim (this is a hypothetical where the stormcloaks win) then the dominion and the Thalmor will conquer all of Tamriel so the real only shot that the rest of the world has is to work together.

I still hold my point that more peace will be had if every province worked together as a unified state then all becoming independent due to the fact that when the Thalmor are done with there will be numerous grab attempts on each others lands and people.