its all good

I get reeeeeeeeeeeally heated up in debates lol

me too it just felt like the empire keeped bending over backwards for the thalmor

There is passion on both sides for an issue like this. It shows how much we love skyrim

Kinda like the great houses of Morrowind and how the Morrowind forums tend to debate which house is the best......even though we all know its House Telvanni

But yea, its a good thing in skyrim and the fact that people actually take the sides seriously tends to border on interesting and annoying xD

True. We argue as much as the grey manes and battle borns. Except we don't sell children to elves

Well I do....

The Talos ban is part of their strategy to unmake Mundus, it has nothing to do with Ulfric. Certainly they are pushing an agenda but they would have had to do it anyway. Talos worship= Talos powerful= they are bound to Mundus= sadface Nazi elves.

Actually thats not true, its been confirmed that gods don't need to be worshiped in order to be powerful in the ES series, so Talos is still as powerful as always but it is part of their plan to undo mundus, except they think undoing mundus is accomplished by killing every race that isn't an Altmer.

"With Talos and the sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will be ours to unbind." That is their goal. Political dominance is a means to an end.

Sons of Talos refer to the humans and the empire and plenty of gods have fallen out of being worshiped but still have power, its really not canon that a god needs worshipers to be powerful nor has it ever been hinted at.

Good point. People don't worship Kynareth because of a dead tree. Does that make her weak? Id say not

And another thing if they wanted to undo mundus by going after an Aedra...wouldn't they go after Akatosh and not Talos? Akatosh is the father of the dragons, not Talos.

Yes, it refers to humans, and...? It doesn't matter if it will actually work or not- it's what the Thalmor intend. So tell me again how they would have left Skyrim alone except for Ulfric?

Talos anchors mortality in the mythic. "Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane."

Even if the Nords helped to form the empire, Cyrodiil is acting as a foreign power now. Tullius is sent from Cyrodiil, and he answers to the emperor there, who is no Septim but just the descendant of a Colovian warlord who grabbed power. Even prior to the uprising, more and more people resented the empire's interference in Skyrim's affairs (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skyrim%27s_Rule). Cyrodiil has lost its legitimacy to rule and should stand down and let Skyrim go. They're only prolonging the inevitable and embittering people in the meantime.

The Thalmor drag off worshipers of Talos.

Ummm...Talos didn't become a god until Tiber Septim died in the third era...Talos IS Tiber Septim. You're thinking of Lorkhan who is sometimes considered to be Talos but that has not even been proven by anything.


Not before the stormcloak rebellion they didn't, at least not in skyrim.

This pretty much right here. Here is what the Thalmor want its their true goal and endgame.
By Michael Kirkbride.

What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison. To achieve this goal, we must: 1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane. 2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated. 3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

There is still the rest of the areas they control, and they will continue to do so they have to erase Talos from the mythic completely for their plan to work

The Empire isn't dead, Ulfric isnt a racist, and he is certainly not the last chance to form a powerful force to oppose the Dominion. Just to clarify your post is opinion only, in my opinion Ulfric would lead men to their deaths and the Empire is the best shot we have. Again, opinion only.

Yes, and? The text is about Talos. Whether he's Tiber Septim ascended or something more is, again, beside the point. The Thalmor intend to eliminate his worshippers because they believe he anchors mortality in the mythic and anchors this kalpa in its present form. To do that, they need to eradicate his worship in Skyrim and would have done it one way or another.

True but the thing is, they aren't just killing humans anymore to erase Talos, the Thalmor believe nowadays that every race that isn't considered "pure" in their eyes need to be purged, hence the purging in Valenwood.



That still doesn't change the fact that they needed proof that Talos worship was going on in Skyrim in order to actually get permission from the empire to start and arrest the worshipers, then in comes Ulfric, after he liberated Markarth in exchange for freedom of Talos worship he started his rebellion meaning that the Thalmor had enough proof to start up the embassy, hence why it wasn't built until after the rebellion started. It was an excuse to hunt down Talos worshipers which later forced many nords to destroy or hide their own personal Talos shrines. Thus proving that Ulfric had a hand in bringing the Thalmor to skyrim, even if he doesn't know it or won't acknowledge it.

never said it was not opinion

Even so they still wish their endgame and that is by purging and erasing like you mention all they feel is not pure. So everyone is in danger everybody is threatened and they threaten their own with breaking the Mundas. Nobody is safe not even their selves.

They came into skyrim a year after the WGC was signed. Are you seriously suggesting that the empire would have refused the thalmor entry and risked provoking the great war again that early? They don't need proof. THey've dictated the terms of the surrender. If they want to enforce it, the empire's not going to stop them. By the way, if you actually talk to the jarl of markarth you'd know that the jarl there was the one that started the Talos worship thing and the Empire later sanctioned it.