I don't think people are giving Bethesda enough credit : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:26 am

what about us console gamers? we don't have that option. so we post are criticism (granted, some aren't constructive) in this forum, in hopes that are voices are heard and taken into consideration.

Xbox gamers have that option, fiddly and expensive as it may be. Ps3 gamers though, they've had rotten luck. Beths fault for rushing, sonys for making a console that's fiddly to program for? Probably both. Neither particularly excusable. However, for the TES series as a whole, I love Beth to pieces.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:28 am

A warrior should not be able or forced to join the College.
Restrictions as in actual immersion.
When you select a speech check in new Vegas it fails if you have poor charisma and/or speech skill.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:49 am

Of the Obsidian games that I've played (Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic 2; Fallout: New Vegas) neither was nearly as good as the game it was based on (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic; Fallout 3)

Ageed completely

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:04 am

Skyrim was truly a wonderful game to play, but in hindsight I struggle to remember any particular moment that struck me as particularly amazing. Improving a game is apart of a developer's job, credit should be given for areas of the game that were added to make the game better and, in my humble opinion, I see little that holds it above any previous TES game, aside from aesthetically. However, I am still grateful for the magnificent game, as an improved TES game is still a great game.

Interesting I have tons of really amazing moments. Just as many as for Oblivion for me. Morrowind has way fewer in actual gameplay n fact but the " I have tread on alien worlds" feeling gave me quite a few.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 am

You're wrong. People are giving enough credit to Beth. The game was universally aclaimed by reviews and customers alike as a fantastic game, was probably the most hyped and well-received game Beth ever did. Then, sales wise, it was the most sucessfull game Beth did and they are swimming in money now.

So no...enough credit was given to them...it was acknowledged by Beth that the response for the game completey blown their expectations away.

Anyways, thanks for the fantastic game Bethesda...keep up the good work. Impress us with the DLCs :tongue:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:12 am

To the OP, I would like to now give credit for beths game.

Thank you for releasing the game early and making sure we had loads of bugs.
Thank you for the Navmesh bug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RlNBVOcuW3M
Thank you for butchering the magic system and making it very simple, so it is now a ABC system.
Thank you for limiting the game so consoles can hold back a nice PC version.
Oh and my favourite, thank you for taking out the spell crafting system. I only used it in EVERY playthrough!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:59 am

how is Game Of The Year from nearly every gaming website ans community a "not enough credit"?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:13 am

THANK YOU!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:14 am

Thank bethesda for skyrim, but screw bethesda for the atrocious college of winterhold questline :meh:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:25 am

He has defended this title since it was announced, he will stand his ground regardless what faults this game has for whatever reason.

Yep. Skyrim is apparently perfection. If anyone makes a complaint they get called a 'moaner' or that their complaint is unfounded as he isn't bothered by it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:41 am

To the OP, I would like to now give credit for beths game. Thank you for releasing the game early and making sure we had loads of bugs. Thank you for the Navmesh bug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RlNBVOcuW3M Thank you for butchering the magic system and making it very simple, so it is now a ABC system. Thank you for limiting the game so consoles can hold back a nice PC version. Oh and my favourite, thank you for taking out the spell crafting system. I only used it in EVERY playthrough!

And thank you for releasing bad storytelling and quests!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:16 am

Well, I have already replied to this topic, but I recently wrote a full review of the game for Betweencontent.com, taking a deeper look than a one liner comment on the game. http://betweencontent.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-indepth-review/

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:09 pm

He has defended this title since it was announced, he will stand his ground regardless what faults this game has for whatever reason.

When I find fault with the game, I will express it.

That time has not come. I'm not going to complain about something for the sake of complaining about it, when there is nothing in the game worth me complaining about.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:52 pm

Meh, its just the contrarian effect. Essentially, when people see something that is commercially and critically successful, they seem to want to do nothing but point out its flaws, when they are too blind to see all the good qualities of the product. I don't know why this is true, my guess is that it makes themselves feel smart. This is why I don't trust the user reviews on Metacritic, it just seems inversly porportional to how many copies the game sold, rather than the quality of the game.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:03 am

Meh, its just the contrarian effect. Essentially, when people see something that is commercially and critically successful, they seem to want to do nothing but point out its flaws, when they are too blind to see all the good qualities of the product. I don't know why this is true, my guess is that it makes themselves feel smart. This is why I don't trust the user reviews on Metacritic, it just seems inversly porportional to how many copies the game sold, rather than the quality of the game.

This. I have been on enough internet forums in my time to know that this is ultimately the case. People want to seem better than the rest, so they go against the common thought of the group in an attempt to seem better. Then it catches on and spreads like wildfire.

That's not to say there aren't legitimate concerns about the game, there absolutely are, especially where the PS3 is concerned. It's the mentality behind it, however, that you just summed up perfectly.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:36 am

I love the landscape of skyrim,I liked cyrodiil but i like skyrim more

Almost as much as i love Vvardenfell.
Bethesda are amazing at creating worlds

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:05 am

Meh, its just the contrarian effect. Essentially, when people see something that is commercially and critically successful, they seem to want to do nothing but point out its flaws, when they are too blind to see all the good qualities of the product. I don't know why this is true, my guess is that it makes themselves feel smart. This is why I don't trust the user reviews on Metacritic, it just seems inversly porportional to how many copies the game sold, rather than the quality of the game.

I find people who presume to understand the mindset of everyone who does not comply with their turgid understanding of a game, to be equally as annoying as those who oppose out of pure spite of the majority. I find that there are flaws in Skyrim, flaws that need to be acknowledged so they can be corrected in future games, and do not feel it is fair for a person to be labelled a contrarian simply for not blindly ignoring the flaws, as the the good qualities are expected from a game of its hype, and from a developer of Bethesda's standard.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:22 am

I find people who presume to understand the mindset of everyone who does not comply with their turgid understanding of a game, to be equally as annoying as those who oppose out of pure spite of the majority. I find that there are flaws in Skyrim, flaws that need to be acknowledged so they can be corrected in future games, and do not feel it is fair for a person to be labelled a contrarian simply for not blindly ignoring the flaws, as the the good qualities are expected from a game of its hype, and from a developer of Bethesda's standard.

I'm not talking about the people who acknowelge the flaws, I'm talking about the people who play the game for 10 minutes, or not at all even, and are like "Dude, what the [censored], this is the worst game ever, Bethesda are a bunch of retards"

In otherwords, I;m talking about people who can't appriecate the game for what it is, which doesn't mean ignoring its faults.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:50 am

10 mins eh? folks here(and gone) have gone a Hundred hours in and have concerns, you THINK that would give them merit right? nope for some reason that just means they are svckers for abuse and are flayed with attempts of invalidation statements like "Why do you play hundreds of hours in for something you don't like?" or some equally inane reason that adds nothing more than an attempt to discredit people.

so no sorry that doesn't really work either.

the prior poster is correct, come not with any non supporting words on the tip of your tongue for skyrim less you be flayed.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:23 pm

10 mins eh? folks here have gone a Hundred hours in, you THINK that would give them merit right? nope for some reason that just means they are svckers for abuse and are flayed with attempts of invalidation statements like "Why do you play hundreds of hours in for something you don't like?" or some equally inane reason that adds nothing more than an attempt to discredit people. so no sorry that doesn't really work either.

Im not talking about the elder scrolls fans, Im talking about the internet community in general,

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:04 am

Im not talking about the elder scrolls fans, Im talking about the internet community in general,

Indeed, my statement still applies, it happens EVERYWHERE ;p

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:43 pm

Indeed, my statement still applies, it happens EVERYWHERE ;p

what happens everywhere, youre unclear on that

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:23 am

I'm not talking about the people who acknowelge the flaws, I'm talking about the people who play the game for 10 minutes, or not at all even, and are like "Dude, what the [censored], this is the worst game ever, Bethesda are a bunch of retards"

In otherwords, I;m talking about people who can't appriecate the game for what it is, which doesn't mean ignoring its faults.

I apologise then, though these sentiments were not specifically explained in your initial post.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:28 am

what happens everywhere, youre unclear on that

Being invalidated when giving concerns ;p

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:53 pm

I apologise then.

Meh, maybe they are trolls, but there are people out there who don't give the game a fair chance to prove itself, the thing is, its hard to tell a troll from an idiot on the internet, you just have to know the person