[Emma Pennington]

PS3 waiting nearly a year for Fallout 3 DLC. It's only been a month so far for Dawnguard. This whole thing with having to wait for Dawnguard is not that bad. PS3 players still bought Fallout 3 DLC and were more anticipated to buy it rather than complain.

You just don't get it, do you? Most of us, especially myself, really don't mind the wait. We're used to delays and setbacks by now and it's not even that much of a big deal given how much of a small boon the DLC is. The problem we have, for the seventeenth time, is that Bethesda don't seem to respect us or want to give us the dignity of a straight, plain English answer, instead of this "announcement of announcement" rubbish. They're announcing that they have no information but are making an announcement about Dawnguard this week. That's absolute rubbish. How can they not know anything when they know fully well they're making an announcement this week?

The other thing is that we're tired of being treated like second-rate citizens when we've supported Bethesda the whole way through. They're a business, I get that. I'd take Microsoft's money as well. But I'd at least have the decency to stay true to my fans, keep them informed, and keep them happy. Whether you're a business or a decent human being your primary goal is to keep people happy and satisfied, and they know fully well that people are not happy with the current situation.

Some fans are just that, fans. But people like me who genuinely like this developer, who have bought three copies of Oblivion, two of Fallout 3, two of New Vegas, and of course Skyrim, and have modded all of their games, when it would have been just as easy to pirate them, do not deserve this kind of treatment.

This is based upon principle, not some DLC that's getting mediocre reviews. At least for me. I'm aggravated by Bethesda's careless replies to this situation instead of actual, human responses.

[Gracie Dugdale]

You just don't get it, do you? Most of us, especially myself, really don't mind the wait. We're used to delays and setbacks by now and it's not even that much of a big deal given how much of a small boon the DLC is. The problem we have, for the seventeenth time, is that Bethesda don't seem to respect us or want to give us the dignity of a straight, plain English answer, instead of this "announcement of announcement" rubbish. They're announcing that they have no information but are making an announcement about Dawnguard this week. That's absolute rubbish. How can they not know anything when they know fully well they're making an announcement this week?

The other thing is that we're tired of being treated like second-rate citizens when we've supported Bethesda the whole way through. They're a business, I get that. I'd take Microsoft's money as well. But I'd at least have the decency to stay true to my fans, keep them informed, and keep them happy. Whether you're a business or a decent human being your primary goal is to keep people happy and satisfied, and they know fully well that people are not happy with the current situation.

Some fans are just that, fans. But people like me who genuinely like this developer, who have bought three copies of Oblivion, two of Fallout 3, two of New Vegas, and of course Skyrim, and have modded all of their games, when it would have been just as easy to pirate them, do not deserve this kind of treatment.

This is based upon principle, not some DLC that's getting mediocre reviews. At least for me. I'm aggravated by Bethesda's careless replies to this situation instead of actual, human responses.

Trust me, I have seen enough replies stating that people feel disrespected by the lack of communication. I only really replied to that specific user I quoted because he was just being ignorant. Saying things like "Why are PS3 players even going to buy this? Bethesda doesn't like us!". He obviously isn't going to not buy Dawnguard for the lack of a real answer on why they delay. That wouldn't be a smart reason to not buy. He is probably not going to buy because he doesn't have the patience to wait anymore, when PS3 players can wait almost a year for Fallout 3 DLC. He is obviously in the "impatient" group of those who are waiting of course. I am sure there were more like him during the time PS3 users waited for Fallout 3 DLC.

[Brιonα Renae]

I said in my post "I have every right to have the opportunity to purchase the DLC on both of my consoles." I didn't say it every time I mentioned the word "entitlement" because that is just repetitive. lol

Also, I don't want you to think I was targeting you in particular. I just saw the word entitlement for the 500th time in this forum and I decided to finally say something.



Thinking like a consumer? I am a consumer. Bethesda released this information to their consumers. How else am I supposed to take it? It isn't an assumption. When Bethesda said "30 day exclusive" that is exactly what they meant. The term "exclusive" was prefaced with the phrase "30 day" for a reason. Meaning, they are contractually bound to withhold the DLC from non-Xbox users for 30 days. They heavily implied, if not ensured, that other platforms would get it. If they are not going to release it for other platforms, it isn't a 30 day exclusive. It's just an exclusive. I'm not saying they were obligated to release it the day the exclusivity period ended. I'm saying that they are obligated to release it for the other systems at some point.

EDIT: I'm not saying that they legally have to provide everyone the opportunity to purchase the DLC on their own platforms, but I am saying that they are morally obligated to do so. Otherwise the DLC is just part of a bait and switch tactic to scam PC and PS3 users. As I said earlier, thankfully this isn't true because Bethesda does have more integrity than that.

And they are going to. So, in light of that, what on earth is your point?

[Manny(BAKE)]

And they are going to. So, in light of that, what on earth is your point?

I was addressing all of the comments on this forum that have said that users who are expecting the DLC to come to their platforms are self-entitled.

[sarah taylor]

Please tell me PS3 players aren't going to buy this DLC...don't support this crap from Beth anymore.

I'm not going to get it, but that's because during the past two months, I've largely lost interest in Skyrim. Hearing that the things that I wanted to be in Dawngaurd the most (Volkihar like what we read about in Immortal Blood, lunar transformations for werewolves who weren't in the Companions, etc.) weren't didn't help renew my interest in the game, nor has the wait for the DLC to become available for the PS3 made me more anxious for it. But the clincher was the patch 1.6 debacle. Bethesda's lack of communication about that patch for 2 months has made me largely abandon the game. I stick around here because I like a lot of the people and want to remain connected, plus I want to see if things ever improve.

But I'm not going to get this DLC, at least not on the PS3. If I do get a new PC, I might decide to get Skyrim and its DLC during a Steam sale or when the GOTY comes out, but for now I'm content to put the money I was going to spend on Dawnguard on a different game.

[Patrick Gordon]

I was addressing all of the comments on this forum that have said that users who are expecting the DLC to come to their platforms are self-entitled.

I think the 'entitled' tag is being slapped onto those who have shown themselves as unable to wait. I don't think anyone could deny how earth shatteringly stupid Beth would be if they turned round and went "oyez, it's totally exclusive now BWAHAHAHAHA".

I mean, I'm pretty sure MS would pay a visit asking for their money back...

[Cool Man Sam]

Some posts have gone away. Nobody cares that you don't like the game. Wading into this thread to have a generalised moan is pointless, disruptive, boring, and - most of all - off-topic. There are plenty of other threads in which you are welcome to make specific and constructive suggestions on how to make a better game. This thread is for discussion and speculation over PC and PS3 release dates.

Also note that criticising other members and calling them "entitled" is a form of flaming, so knock it off.

[matt white]

Trust me, I have seen enough replies stating that people feel disrespected by the lack of communication. I only really replied to that specific user I quoted because he was just being ignorant. Saying things like "Why are PS3 players even going to buy this? Bethesda doesn't like us!". He obviously isn't going to not buy Dawnguard for the lack of a real answer on why they delay. That wouldn't be a smart reason to not buy. He is probably not going to buy because he doesn't have the patience to wait anymore, when PS3 players can wait almost a year for Fallout 3 DLC. He is obviously in the "impatient" group of those who are waiting of course. I am sure there were more like him during the time PS3 users waited for Fallout 3 DLC.

Fair enough, in that case.

Also note that criticising other members and calling them "entitled" is a form of flaming, so knock it off.

I was quite sure that flaming was the pointless insult and ad hominem attack toward a member for no other reason than attention seeking but then this could be a strange forum, I haven't been on here much.

I'm all against flaming, but you're acting as if any form of criticism is meant to be at a detriment to the person or party being criticised, when it can actually be helpful in some circumstances.

[Christine]

Thinking like a consumer? I am a consumer. Bethesda released this information to their consumers. How else am I supposed to take it? It isn't an assumption. When Bethesda said "30 day exclusive" that is exactly what they meant. The term "exclusive" was prefaced with the phrase "30 day" for a reason. Meaning, they are contractually bound to withhold the DLC from non-Xbox users for 30 days. They heavily implied, if not ensured, that other platforms would get it. If they are not going to release it for other platforms, it isn't a 30 day exclusive. It's just an exclusive. I'm not saying they were obligated to release it the day the exclusivity period ended. I'm saying that they are obligated to release it for the other systems at some point.

EDIT: They do not legally have to provide everyone the opportunity to purchase the DLC on their own platforms, but they are morally obligated to do so. Otherwise the DLC is just part of a bait and switch tactic to scam PC and PS3 users. As I said earlier, thankfully this isn't true because Bethesda does have more integrity than that.

Thats where you went wrong.

Microsoft payed to make Dawnguard exclusive for 30 days, and that is EXACTLY what they got. That was the deal. done and dealt with. Releasing to other platforms, no matter how much you think it implied, was NEVER stated directly.

If Bethesda decides to keep Dawngard as an XBox exclusive, then thats their decision. They owe you nothing outside of supporting the core game, which they are doing with more patches then any of their past games have ever had. (Fallout 3 doesn't count since patches stopped having any real fixes with 1.5

[Nikki Morse]

Thats where you went wrong.

Microsoft payed to make Dawnguard exclusive for 30 days, and that is EXACTLY what they got. That was the deal. done and dealt with. Releasing to other platforms, no matter how much you think it implied, was NEVER stated directly.

If Bethesda decides to keep Dawngard as an XBox exclusive, then thats their decision. They owe you nothing outside of supporting the core game, which they are doing with more patches then any of their past games have ever had. (Fallout 3 doesn't count since patches stopped having any real fixes with 1.5

"They owe you nothing" is a terrible excuse. If they CAN release it for PC and PS3, they should. Deciding to keep it exclusive would be the biggest dike move made by any video game developer.

[Naomi Lastname]

And they are going to. So, in light of that, what on earth is your point?

Are they? They say we haven't announce release plan for other platforms rather than we haven't announce release date for other platform.

It is however is they're decision whther it is exclusive or not.

[CArlos BArrera]

Are they? They say we haven't announce release plan for other platforms rather than we haven't announce release date for other platform.

It is however is they're decision whther it is exclusive or not.

I'm pretty sure MS would be rather upset about forking over a bucketload of cash for temporary exclusivity on a DLC which turns out to be totally exclusive to their console. Beth are not stupid enough to pull a trick like that, MS would have them in court faster than they could sing trololo.

The very nature of the temporary exclusivity deal implies that DG is coming to other platforms, to think otherwise is, well, illogical.

[Elisabete Gaspar]

"They owe you nothing" is a terrible excuse. If they CAN release it for PC and PS3, they should. Deciding to keep it exclusive would be the biggest dike move made by any video game developer.

Exactly.

No game developers owe any customer anything. But guess what? Like genuine human beings, they still do things out of gratitude for their fans. Look at Valve. They're damned awesome. Hell, last week, Gabe released FREE DLC for L4D2, then on the same day discounted the game to a fraction of the price. If the world went by Echonite's logic, what kind of world would we live in? Games would svck! They'd all be based upon Activision's business principles. Morrowind would probably still be 40 dollars RRP. Oblivion would probably still be 70-80 dollars RRP.

Echonite, why do you feel the need to blatantly defend Bethesda when they've clearly made some sort of mistake? Don't say they haven't made any mistake because the fact that this is the 18th thread on the subject contradicts that.

[Kim Bradley]

Has anything been said specifically that they are not going to release it other than on the 360 or is all this just people getting panties in a twist over nothing?
If I had to speculate, the reason it has gone over the 30 days is because they want a little more time to squash the bugs. We all know what Skyrim was released like on PS3 and am sure the reason for the lateness is because they don't want to go through something like that again.

Just be patient. Wouldn't you rather wait a little bit more to have a more playable version?

[Angelina Mayo]

Has anything been said specifically that they are not going to release it other than on the 360 or is all this just people getting panties in a twist over nothing?
If I had to speculate, the reason it has gone over the 30 days is because they want a little more time to squash the bugs. We all know what Skyrim was released like on PS3 and am sure the reason for the lateness is because they don't want to go through something like that again.

Just be patient. Wouldn't you rather wait a little bit more to have a more playable version?

The problem isn't the wait, it is the lack of information.
All they had to say is that it is currently in testing phase and there would now not be currently 18 threads on "Is it there yet?" and god knows how many more threads to come.

[Tiffany Carter]

We are all entitled to it.

Bethesda said before Skyrim was released that Microsoft had exclusivity for 30 days for the first two DLCs. That indicates that the DLCs will go to the other consoles just at a later date. It is not an Xbox exclusive, it is a timed Xbox exclusive. After Bethesda released that information, they became obligated to provide the DLC for all three consoles. No, Bethesda has no legal obligation to provide the DLC, but because they told consumers they would, it would be wrong for them to back out of it. Bait and switch tactics are anything but moral.

If they hadn't let this news out before Skyrim was released it would be a different story. But I bought the game on the PS3 (and later on the PC) knowing that I would eventually get extra content later on. If I was told that Xbox would be the only console getting the DLC, I would have bought it on the 360 instead. Since I was not told that, I have every right to have the opportunity to purchase the DLC on both of my consoles. You can't tell everyone the DLCs will come to their platform, let them buy it for whichever system, and then tell them, "Oh, never mind. It's only coming out on the Xbox. You will have to buy another copy of the game, possibly a new system, and the DLC in order to play it." Thankfully Bethesda is not doing that because they are not that inconsiderate.

I've spent $120 on this game and you can be sure that I am entitled to pay another $40 to get the DLC on both of my systems if I choose to do that.

EDIT: Just to make sure it's clear, I am in no way bashing Bethesda. Now that they've given us notice, I think they are doing their best to treat consumers right when it comes to the DLC. I'm just addressing the people who keep saying that everyone who is asking for the DLC is self-entitled.

Except they are going to release the DLC for other platforms. This EXACT THING happened with FONV. Your argument is invalid.

[Tiff Clark]

Except they are going to release the DLC for other platforms. This EXACT THING happened with FONV. Your argument is invalid.

People complaining here don't like the fact they are being shafted by corporate buisness practises being used for software and their anger shows that they actually give a [censored], you on the other hand don't seem to mind.
Therefore your argument is invalid (in my opinion just like it is in yours ), as is that of the people in this thread who have DG on their xbox already and awaiting it on the PC or their PS3.
Because those who have already feasted on the Ice Cream don't feel the same urge as those who are waiting to taste it for the first time.

All Beth had to do was say.
a. Sorry folks, xbox guys only.
b. Sorry folks, bit of hassle during development but we are on it. We will keep you posted.
c. Sorry guys, going to be exclusive a bit longer but we still plan to slide it your way at a later date.

Been some badly handled PR any way you look at it and there is no defence or invalid argument about it.

[Shianne Donato]

People complaining here don't like the fact they are being shafted by corporate buisness practises being used for software and their anger shows that they actually give a [censored], you on the other hand don't seem to mind.
Therefore your argument is invalid (in my opinion just like it is in yours ), as is that of the people in this thread who have DG on their xbox already and awaiting it on the PC or their PS3.
Because those who have already feasted on the Ice Cream don't feel the same urge as those who are waiting to taste it for the first time.

All Beth had to do was say.
a. Sorry folks, xbox guys only.
b. Sorry folks, bit of hassle during development but we are on it. We will keep you posted.
c. Sorry guys, going to be exclusive a bit longer but we still plan to slide it your way at a later date.

Been some badly handled PR any way you look at it and there is no defence or invalid argument about it.

That makes no sense...
Objectively, the game is going to be released on other platforms, and he implied otherwise - which is the basis for his argument. What you and I think about the situation we are in is irrelevant, I was merely pointing out that he is wrong about it not releasing for other platforms; there's nothing else to that comment, yet you managed to make so much more out of it.

I don't think we are being shafted, I don't think Pete Hines quote was worded wrong. He was simply stating that there was no announcement regarding the release of the PS3/PC version of DG, which there wasn't. It's all a matter of perspective and opinions. People just went their merry way with that quote, and turned it into something else. It didn't help that a myriad of gaming articles jumped over it either. We're just going to keep arguing back and forth. We're never going to agree, so i'll leave you with the last word.

[Luis Longoria]

What Bethesda doesn't seem to realise (or care about), is that this WILL hurt them down the line. Badwill, loss of reputation, bad publicity, trust issues. No company is big enough to be immune to negative effects by these.

..."You gonna buy the new Bethesda game?"
..."Dunno - think I'm gonna wait until i know if they'll support DLC for my setup."

[Tiffany Holmes]

What Bethesda doesn't seem to realise (or care about), is that this WILL hurt them down the line. Badwill, loss of reputation, bad publicity, trust issues. No company is big enough to be immune to negative effects by these.

..."You gonna buy the new Bethesda game?"
..."Dunno - think I'm gonna wait until i know if they'll support DLC for my setup."

...yet, funnily, despite similar practices on past titles (Fo3) or worse (oblivion) they have had their biggest release to date with skyrim. Every setup is supported for DLC.

[Laura Elizabeth]

What people are not getting here is that us ps3/pc users are not upset because we have to wait, what most of us are upset over is that there's been no news or even an update saying it will be here *ball park figure* that's why we are fuming.

[james kite]

...yet, funnily, despite similar practices on past titles (Fo3) or worse (oblivion) they have had their biggest release to date with skyrim. Every setup is supported for DLC.

True, but I still think they are pushing the tolerances for what the gaming community will stand for without effects in the future.

[Natasha Biss]

all this delay makes me wonder who owns TES series beth or MS, looks like MS does
Shame on you beth for choosing big money over loyal fans

[yessenia hermosillo]

That makes no sense...
Objectively, the game is going to be released on other platforms, and he implied otherwise - which is the basis for his argument. What you and I think about the situation we are in is irrelevant, I was merely pointing out that he is wrong about it not releasing for other platforms; there's nothing else to that comment, yet you managed to make so much more out of it.

I don't think we are being shafted, I don't think Pete Hines quote was worded wrong. He was simply stating that there was no announcement regarding the release of the PS3/PC version of DG, which there wasn't. It's all a matter of perspective and opinions. People just went their merry way with that quote, and turned it into something else. It didn't help that a myriad of gaming articles jumped over it either. We're just going to keep arguing back and forth. We're never going to agree, so i'll leave you with the last word.

Lack of humour to realise I am in fact having a dig at your constant rolling around shouting INVALIDATE INVALIDATE like a Dalek at every post.
At the end of the day, like my post stated, it has so far been a piss poor excercise in Public Relations. I am sure you understand that, or like you yourself asked of someone earlier in these forums. Is English your first language?

So I ask you, is there any valid reason as to why when the 30 days were up and all the uproar started none of the below phrases could have been said?
a. Sorry folks, xbox guys only.
b. Sorry folks, bit of hassle during development but we are on it. We will keep you posted.
c. Sorry guys, going to be exclusive a bit longer but we still plan to slide it your way at a later date.

The ones I feel sorry for are the mods having to sort all this mess out.

[Rude Gurl]

Lack of humour to realise I am in fact having a dig at your constant rolling around shouting INVALIDATE INVALIDATE like a Dalek at every post.
At the end of the day, like my post stated, it has so far been a piss poor excercise in Public Relations. I am sure you understand that, or like you yourself asked of someone earlier in these forums. Is English your first language?

So I ask you, is there any valid reason as to why when the 30 days were up and all the uproar started none of the below phrases could have been said?
a. Sorry folks, xbox guys only.
b. Sorry folks, bit of hassle during development but we are on it. We will keep you posted.
c. Sorry guys, going to be exclusive a bit longer but we still plan to slide it your way at a later date.

The ones I feel sorry for are the mods having to sort all this mess out.

it is not a pisspoor excersise in PR that is the understatementy of the day , it is a outright PR disaster