This is the #1 game of all times.

Portal is a far more overrated puzzle game consisting of about 3 hours of playtime, ending with a stupid meme that overshadows the "arrow in the knee" meme as the stupidest of all time.

Sounds more like Nostalgia than actual quality to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I don't really agree with Skyrim being Number2 on the list either though. Portal is at least justfiable at Number 1, but Skyrim is too broken and too incoherent to be in the top 5, maybe even the top 10, not that I'm not glad it ranks so high.

I actually had a long discussion with a friend about how Skyrim isn't better than Morrowind at least. It gets a little confusing for those who didn't play Morrowind against its contemporary Market. Basically, no Elder Scrolls game has had stellar gameplay in individual areas. It's certainly got better with time, and the playability and engagement of action in Skyrim is truly the best it's ever been, but no world has had the same level of design integrity since Morrowind. There was so much to discover, so much to learn, the combat and quests became secondary, if not tirtiary. It became about exploring Morrowind (Specifically Vvardenfell Island) more than anything. What's more is that the game was written and designed to facilitate this. Pretty much all the quests lacked a sense of urgency, which in any other context would be a bad thing, but because you never felt the weight of world-crushing consequence on your shoulders, you could disconnect yourself from the game and get into the world.

In short, Morrowind did what Elder Scrolls games are supposed to do, it let you carve your own place in the game world, but with enough tangible depth that brought it close enough to feel connected to. (Unlike Daggerfall).

Having played all of those games some people in this thread claim to be so great I can only say Skyrim is way better than them.

Planescape torment cant hold a candle to Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 or New Vegas. BG 2 was also much better.

BG1 was way weaker than BG2 and BG 2 loses big time vs Skyrim.

Skyrim is one of the best games ever made and im not surprised to see it that high.

Some of the best games in history (for its time) was Zelda for SNES, Fallout for the PC, Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim.

Yeah, I really dislike the false urgency of Skyrim, and never really could figure out what was bothering me. Because I'm torn because I've never been terribly excited about the dragons, yet I'm supposed to kill 'em all, I guess. I somehow feel more compelled to pick all these flowers before me, despite not using alchemy on this character.

Uhg. What does that say about the dragon battles. But on the other hand, I guess that shows how terribly satisfying it is to gather ingredients. Even though it gets old, and even pointless when you become overloaded with fortune, it's still mildly satisfying. Well, good job on that, then.

I say Deus Ex as no 1.

That is all

FF7 is not overrated it just has huge fan and loyal fan base Square didnt make Advent childern,crisis core and Dirge of cerbus cause they we're bored

As far as greatest game or games of all time go, They are the games that stand the test of time. The ones that don't fall into the shadows of the forgotten ones that are mention or brought up more then you can remeber.

Er.. What? "Still Alive" was a perfectly valid song, not a "meme", and a very good one at that. It was one of the best endings to any game I've played, and probably the only credits I've bothered watching to the end.

Anyway, I think that people criticizing Portal for its length or lack of replayability (which I disagree with, I've given it plenty of replays. You've got advanced challenges, y'know?) completely miss the point. Portal was an experiment by Valve (and TF2 as well to an extent) and was included in the orange box alongside 4 other games to see the reaction from gamers. As it happens, it became a massive success that even overshadowed the Half-Life series for the time being (much to my regret - I still like the Half-Life series more). The key is really originality, it's very refreshing to see such an innovative take on a game after all the generic stuff you see in the market - everything is a rehash. Though I must also say that IIRC, Portal drew inspiration from something as well, but I forget what.


LOL

As good as Baldur's Gate and PS:Torment are, I think they're both overrated. Skyrim sure as hell doesn't deserve to be at the very top of an all-time list, but neither do those two.

But then, it's all down to personal opinions. You'll never get everyone in the world to agree on a top all-time games list, just as you'll never get everyone in the world to agree on a top songs list or a top movies list.

its not a flawed list, baldurs gate is old, its still on the list, but you can't expect it to outshine the top contemporary games, and half life is a great game, but its not very recent either and lots of great games have came out since it was released, so i think the list is spot on. there's lots of great games so you can't expect a 15 year old game to be in the top 10 cause its not one of the top 10 games of all time, no way, maybe on a list 10 years ago it would of been.

What?

Isn't Deus Ex PCGamer's #1 game of all time? Sounds a bit odd that they'd put both Portal and Skyrim over it.

Edit: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/16/the-100-best-pc-games-of-all-time/10/, with Portal taking the 8th spot.

fallout 3 blows away fallout 2 easily in my opinion,

Haha a lot of butt[censored] whining on a TES forum for a subjective list that places Skyrim in top 2. It's funny to read, really. Everyone of us has a favourite list of all time that is completely irrelevant for the others.

Actually, I don't find this thread to be a lot of whining, but rather some relatively civilized discussion about what ranking Skyrim deserves in the pantheon of great games. It would be fun to do a "Survivor" sort of run to see where it eventually ends up, but I'm sure that, with this being a TES bulletin board, there might be a little bias in the outcome.

J.

Skyrim should have got #1

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I agree its in the top 10 list for sure

All a matter of taste I guess. Skyrim would definitely be in my Top-5. Within those you'd also find GTA: SA or IV, Anno xxxx, Morrowind, and probably an open space game from the X-series or Assassin's Creed: The Ezio Saga. Might also throw in Populous II for old times' sake, and Privateer II too. Yeah, I know, that's more than five but then I never actually made such a ranking.

Portal is nowhere to be found. It's probably fun, sure, but I'm not into puzzles at all. I like open gameplay A LOT. So, forget such lists. They are always completely subjective. Ever seen a Top 100 best songs/albums of all time list? You'll be hard pressed to find something on them that came out after 1985 or so (except for some token rap album I couldn't tell from any other of the approximately 1000 that are churned out every week for the life of me), and the Beatles always win *shrug*

The rank is a lie!

This times a thousand.

Skyrim is not revolutionary or amazingly unique. It's a very good game for what it is, but Bethesda could've done so much better. I'm really getting sick of all of this [censored] hype and people spouting 'Skyrim Game of the Decade,' etc. I can't help but argue against my own favorite series of all time whenever that idiocy is spread.

I also don't understand why PC gamer gave the game a #2 spot. It's a complete console port with low-res textures and a buggy, inefficient UI.

Well, if Portal got first place they are rating them by the "shiny but shallow" scale, which means Skyrim should have won

And the best games ever are classic Dooms and their expansions

Didn't even make the list? Go for the eyes, Boo!!!

Other people's lists reflect other people's tastes. I have no desire to play Portal, so why would it be #1 on my list?

It's fun to hear other opinions.

My opinion:

1. Morrowind
2. Skyrim

That could change before I finish playing Skyrim.

Listen, I know this is the Skyrim forums and people like this game here, but I find this extremely disappointing and disheartening. Skyrim's fun, but it has plenty of flaws, specifically with quests and NPCs and the storyline.
When I read things like this I can't help but feel like the world is giving Bethesda the thumbs up to make FO4 and TES 6 feel as hollow and shallow as Skyrim, and that bothers me.