I've mentioned that before. Other clans can just put a helmet to conceal their faces. It would be easier then and not lore breaking.

what do you mean?

Yeah I just hope that if they add something like that again they put it in a decent place this time. I wasn't a big fan of the swamps to the South. Come to think of it I never went there unless there was a mission I had to do.

I was really upset when PS3 owners could not download the Vile Lair. It was pretty stupid. That sleeping coffin looked great. Also, Alva sleeps in a coffin, so I hope when or if we get that option to build a house, we can have a sleeping coffin as well. But nothing will beat Deepscorn Hollow coffin.

I know it looked amazing and so did the lair in general.

Can we please not let this veer off-topic?

The question at hand is: when do we get sparkles on our vampires?

You're being off topic by saying that.



*sigh* Why is trolls allowed on these forums?

Satire truly is a lost art form...

Not when the same thing is over used....sparkly this, sparkly that, twilight this, twilight that.
This is about Vampires from the elder scrolls series not twilight so there was absolutely no need for that comment especially since these days when vampires are mentioned or shown in videos there is always one person bringing up twilight. no one ever brings up dracula, lost boys, near dark....they just bring up the same thing over and over and that is why its not funny but annoying.

Thank you I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this

You can't copyright humanoid bat forms. That form from Underworld 2 is not all that different from Bram Stoker's Dracula bat form.

I think it would be an awesome reward after a long quest chain that sees you level a vampire and rewards you with this at very high levels after you abandon your humanity completely.

Indeed, anything is better than a cyrodiil vampire rehash. Vampire Lord power would suit the Volkihar perfectly.

Like i said in my idea for a Volkihar Strain, only the guards would attack you on sight, since they're sworn to protect the citizens from murderous, blood-drinking monstrosities such as yourself, and they're the only ones in town who might stand half a chance of taking you out. The citizens would be terrified of you, but wouldn't attack you, since they know if you can take out all the guards in a city, then they have no chance. You could still get information out of them, and still deal with them, albeit at a lower disposition, like merchants marking up their prices. You'd need to use a Calm spell however to get people to feel safe/friendly enough with you to offer you quests however.

There you have it. Vampire lord=Volkihar. Now all we need is some frost breath and frost powers.

Now the other vampires can go ahead and be Cyrodiilic ones. Sybille is already in the Imperial Palace, why not add more noble vampire seeking political power? Even if she may not specifically say it.

The problem with that idea is that how can you function in a city or talk to people via charm spell if guards attack you on sight? its a quest breaker. its better if different towns have different reactions which will make the player plan ahead in different ways upon visiting each town.

The major downfall of Morrowind vampires was near everyone attacked you and you couldn't do any quests outside of the telvanni and the vampire ones.

I think even the volkihar can be civilised if necessary but should not be able to blend in...at least very well, the eyes should give them away but like in oblivion, it seems red eyes are normal lol

so yeah the vampire lord should be volkihar's true form.

I'd be happier without Werebears, and with Lore friendly Vampires.

But other than that, I hardly care.

I understand, but I think you're missing part of my argument. Obviously all the modern vampires would be scary if I ran across them. They're superhumanly strong, lots of them look horrible and predatorily demonic, and they want to svck my blood. So yes, they'd be scary - but not creepy. There would be fear, but it would be an entirely rational fear resulting from proximity to a dangerous predator, the same as if I bumped into a bear in the woods, which I have done before.

What I want are varmpires that aren't just scary but creepy. And part of that would be having a vampire that gives no real obvious reason to be scared, but who still gives off a vibe of something being wrong. As I said before, vampires are unlike other undead in that they can pass as human so long as they avoid certain telltales - getting caught in sunlight, getting near mirrors, the fear of crosses, and so on and so forth. So that, ultimately, is the scariest feature of vampires. Not the strength, not the feeding on blood, not the ability to change into a bat or a wolf or a mist - it's the ability to blend in.

After all, when you bump into the stranger on the wilderness road after dark, you do know that he isn't a ghoul, feeding on the dead, he isn't some sort of mummified wight, stumbling out of a barrow, and he obviously isn't just a reanimated skeleton - but is he a vampire? Probably not, but are you sure? Can you be sure? He looked a little pale, and they say vampires vampires are deathly pale - but it's after dark, after all. Maybe he just looked funny in the torchlight; nobody looks the same by torchlight as they do in the daylight. His voice was a little funny, but that might not mean anything. He definitely had some longish teeth, but then your cousin Sven has sorta longish canines, and you know he isn't a vampire because you always see him in the daylight.

So probably that guy you passed briefly on the road in the wilderness - where did he go, anyway? - probably he isn't a vampire. Probably.

But you're gonna pick up the pace to be sure, and start praying just on general principles - where did that cross pendant go, anyway? And when you get to the next town, it won't be a moment too soon. Of course, the guy you passed might have passed through here too. And when you get to the town, and go to the inn for a place to stay the night - well, the inkeeper looked a little pale himself. Had a hungry look in his eye too, although maybe he's just eager for the business. Probably just nerves after a long journey alone on the road.

Probably.

This is the internet; jokes get repeated here. And I have to admit that there's a point to mentioning Twilight; the past two or three decades have not been kind to the vampire.

And anyway - you said nobody has mentioned Dracula when I've spent the whole thread making grumpy old fart comments about how I want vampires in the game to be more like the classic vampires like Dracula! What good are my curmudgeonly recommendations if you don't notice them?!

Yes, Vampires should definitely be overhauled and so should werewolves. Both of them are supposed to be focused on the fact that they're super-strong in one way or another and yet their feral instincts, need to feed, and general weaknesses are a massive drawback. Vampires should definitely be weak to something like Holy weapons or anybody wearing a Nine Divine amulet or something while werewolves lose massive damage from Silver Weapons.

As for Vampire Lords and Werebears, all I can think about is the Super Saiyan forms of the Vampires and Werewolves. With a perk tree enabled, if you reach a certain level, you can be those creatures provided you met the criteria. Vampire Lords should be all about intellect, cunning, and messing with the enemy while Werebears are literally savage beasts that can tear through everything.

Considering lycantophy is for warriors and vampirism is for mages and thieves, it seems to be a great idea.

as far as vampire creep factor goes, nothing beats the original Noseferatu imo. its not just the looks... its all about the movement. but thats hard to duplicate in a video game. oddly though i found the morrowind draugr far scarier than the skyrim ones.. something about their shuffling walk.

Well, different creatures can be creepy for different reasons. The frostbite spiders are creepy because they're giant fricking spiders that of course look utterly alien and want to eat your face. It combines the rational fear of a predator with the creepy factor of an inhuman monster.

And I agree that Nosferatu looked creepy, but then Dracula managed creepy for a different reason. Nosferatu was fairly obviously creepy and inhuman - while Dracula looked human but felt inhuman. He just gave off a subtle inhuman vibe.

Well that depends on your definition of civilized. Usually vampires drain people completely. Even the Quarra has been known to literatly rip an arm out of a guy's sockets. And when they feed, it's usually with orgiastic abandon. Clavicus Vile not only granted the Cyrodiilic vampires the ability to blend in, but also made their lust for blood less potent.

Same here. I could live without the werebears, though they would be a nice addition. As long as the Vampires are fixed then I'm happy.

Yep, Nosferatu was definately one creepy Vampire.

Yep, like i posted a few pages back. A Berne Vampire would sneak into a town and abduct a victim to feed on, while a Quarra vampire would just waltz right into town, slaughter everyone, and have an orgiastic feeding frenzy. The "Order" and "Sanguinare" are similar to the Berne in that regard, and the Volkihar is similar to the Quarra.