[claire ley]

12.7mm in F:NV is essentially a fictional handgun cartridge. We already had a .50 and I didn't want to confuse non-gun people with another .50. It's the functional equivalent of .50 AE just as the weapon that fires it is the functional (arguably more functional) equivalent of an IMI Desert Eagle. In the Fallout universe, I think of it as the marginally smaller sibling of the 14mm round.

EDIT: Remember, folks, caliber is the nominal diameter of the bullet. .45 ACP, .45 LC, and .45-70 Gov't may all be roughly .45 inches across, but the cartridges are very different. Similarly, .50 BMG and .50 AE are very different. So while 12.7mm does represent the size of the fictional bullet, the cartridge is not the same size as the .50 round used in the Anti-Materiel Rifle.

[Scared humanity]

I originally came to this forum to suggest- no, beg- no, DEMAND/BEG that the developers include the .223 "Blade Runner Blaster" pistol which I loved so much from Fallout 1 and I'm glad to see that people here have started talking about it.

Just searched it up, and WOW that gun sounds cool. It's so Fallout, what with it simply being a .223 rifle that was cut down to pistol size. Packs a punch too, it seems.

[sarah simon-rogaume]

I have been browsed the boards since the game was announced and just kept my thoughts to myself, but I just registered to say that as a self-proclaimed gun nut and fan of fallout that it is a very refreshing sight to see people that are not completely oblivious to basic firearm 'theory' for lack of a better word. I've kinda gotten used to the sight of ignorant people spouting things that make me fear for the future of mankind. I'm just happy that this game is in the hands of the right people for the job.

Sorry for the off-topic ramble, but it really made my day to read this thread.

Thank you everybody, and I look forward to contributing from now on.

[Eoh]

i really dont understand the love people have for revolvers

because they are the ultimate marriage of art and function, especially the early, 19th century ones, each loving hand crafted by a group of proud craftsmen, who poured there souls into the gun.

not like today's mass produced, soulless, plastic toy gun that are spite out of gun makers today.

[Amy Masters]

thats not counting the confusion your going to create if you have both .357magnum and .38 special ammo.

theres still people who think im going to blow my hand off if I keep useing .38 specials on the target range, especialy when my guns are invariably in better shape than the ones owned by people who insist thats going to happen.

[Greg Swan]

I have been browsed the boards since the game was announced and just kept my thoughts to myself, but I just registered to say that as a self-proclaimed gun nut and fan of fallout that it is a very refreshing sight to see people that are not completely oblivious to basic firearm 'theory' for lack of a better word. I've kinda gotten used to the sight of ignorant people spouting things that make me fear for the future of mankind. I'm just happy that this game is in the hands of the right people for the job.

Sorry for the off-topic ramble, but it really made my day to read this thread.

Thank you everybody, and I look forward to contributing from now on.

We welcome you fellow Firearms Enthusiast. :tops:

[Kortknee Bell]

What would really get me excited is if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire was brought back from FO1/FO2/Tactics to New Vegas or some future DLC...

[Juliet]

The only thing that i think they could add to make it more awesome is realistic reloading. making it so u want to reload before you empty a mag. like for the wooden m16 thing that i saw, once you drop a mag and put a fresh one in you must hit bolt release, and same with semi auotmatic pistols, if you empty a magazine the slide should lock and etc.

[Emilie Joseph]

That would get really tedious, really fast. Especially when you run out of full mags in the middle of a firefight.

[Hannah Barnard]

Just searched it up, and WOW that gun sounds cool. It's so Fallout, what with it simply being a .223 rifle that was cut down to pistol size. Packs a punch too, it seems.

Finally!!!!!!!!! Somebody read my shortened assault rifle post on the brainstorm topic. Now I feel like a nerd.

[stephanie eastwood]

Not sure if anyones mentioned it, but will there be revolvers similiar to Paulsons? (Aka a cowboy styled revolver)

[Tarka]

Not sure if anyones mentioned it, but will there be revolvers similiar to Paulsons? (Aka a cowboy styled revolver)

I wouldn't mind a shotgun revolver if that is what your asking. (I loved Paulson's Revolver, Mothership Zeta became decent just because of that weapon) :tops:

[Daniel Brown]

I wouldn't mind a shotgun revolver if that is what your asking. (I loved Paulson's Revolver, Mothership Zeta became decent just because of that weapon) :tops:

LOLOLOL. The skin of Paulsons revolver, but without the shotgun spread. XD

[Beat freak]

EDIT: Remember, folks, caliber is the nominal diameter of the bullet. .45 ACP, .45 LC, and .45-70 Gov't may all be roughly .45 inches across, but the cartridges are very different. Similarly, .50 BMG and .50 AE are very different. So while 12.7mm does represent the size of the fictional bullet, the cartridge is not the same size as the .50 round used in the Anti-Materiel Rifle.

Thought I'd scare up a picture or two so those of us that aren't familiar with the difference will see what's being talked about:
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG - Stands for Browning Machine Gun. A large anti-materiel round (as defined by the Genva Convention, and NOT to used against individual human targets by the Laws of Land Warfare) fired from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2HB Heavy Machine gun and recently by a number of special manufacter Anti-materiel Sniper Rifles.

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express - Stands for Action Express. Developed by Action Arms and first used by Magnum Research, makers of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Eagle and the folks who brought us this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Research_BFR.

Sorry for the off-topic ramble, but it really made my day to read this thread.

This thread is gun-nut friendly. As long as the post is about guns, mods and ammo with regard to FO:NV up to and including saying how great it is to have fellow gun-nuts making the game, your contribution is not only topical, but welcome.

We welcome you fellow Firearms Enthusiast. :tops:

We gun-nuts need to come up with a snappy sign off for our posts so that we can continue to feel the brotherly love in a forum awash with heathenistic non-gun-nuts. :hehe: I propose a phrase reminicent of my olden days that evokes the essence of what we feel when we've just emptied yet another mag: AMMO UP!

The only thing that i think they could add to make it more awesome is realistic reloading. making it so u want to reload before you empty a mag. like for the wooden m16 thing that i saw, once you drop a mag and put a fresh one in you must hit bolt release, and same with semi auotmatic pistols, if you empty a magazine the slide should lock and etc.

As part of the reload animation and timed with the rest so the reload times are accurate, then Oorah!

Not sure if anyones mentioned it, but will there be revolvers similiar to Paulsons? (Aka a cowboy styled revolver)

The most cowboy styled revolver there ever was. I present to you the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_SAA. Coming soon to Pip-boys near you.


AMMO UP!

[Paula Ramos]

.45 ACP, .45 LC, and .45-70 Gov't may all be roughly .45 inches across, but the cartridges are very different.

Oh, and for crying out loud Josh, I'm still trying to figure out what you chambered in .45-70,

Winchester 1885?
Trapdoor Springfield?
Ruger single shot?
BFR?

C'mon man, you gotta give some kinda hint. Pretty please with sugar on top? :angel:

[Siobhan Wallis-McRobert]

Oh, and for crying out loud Josh, I'm still trying to figure out what you chambered in .45-70,

Winchester 1885?
Trapdoor Springfield?
Ruger single shot?
BFR?

C'mon man, you gotta give some kinda hint. Pretty please with sugar on top? :angel:

I think its the Model 1886, this was taken from the wikipedia page provided by Josh. :tops:

Winchester Model 1886

The Model 1886 continued the trend towards chambering heavier rounds, and had an all-new and considerably stronger locking-block action than the toggle-link Model 1876. It was designed by John Moses Browning, who had a long and profitable relationship with Winchester from the 1880s to the early 1900s. In many respects the Model 1886 was a true American express rifle, as it could be chambered in the more powerful black powder cartridges of the day, such as the .45-70 Government (chambering a rifle for the popular .45-70 had been a goal of Winchester for some time). The 1886 proved capable of handling not merely the .45 Gov't but also the huge .45-90 and .50-110 Express "buffalo" cartridges,[5] [6] and in 1903 was chambered for the smokeless high-velocity .33 WCF. In 1935 Winchester introduced a slightly modified M1886 as the Model 71, chambered for the very powerful .348 Winchester cartridge.

[jessica robson]

Also I had an idea for a unique weapon that I thought might appeal to my brothers-in-arms:

Maybe we could have a unique Chinese Pistol that was the fully automatic Mauser Pistol?

This was the Selective Fire Version of the C96 Mauser Pistol (Chinese Pistol) I think it looks much better then the old version with a top loader for stripper clips, Plus it has the benefit of full auto/burst fire.

http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporm/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mm712schnellfeuer.jpg

*Sorry for double post* :tops:

[ZANEY82]

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG - Stands for Browning Machine Gun. A large anti-materiel round (as defined by the Genva Convention, and NOT to used against individual human targets by the Laws of Land Warfare)

Ironicaly you just lost every conversatation reguarding guns you have had up untill this point.

there is nothing in the Geneva conention or anything else for that mater reguarding the legality of useing the .50 caliber round.

why?

The Geneva Conventions cover the treatment of . . .

First Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, 1864
Second Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea, 1906
Third Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 1929
Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, 1949

and before anyone brings of the Hauge Convention, which only realy covers the use of expanding bullets, and even then most signatory contries have thoes as part of there standard issue. Ironicaly most of the rest of the Hauge convention is by and large considered to be null and void.

in order

I — The Pacific Settlement of International Disputes (mostly not handled by the UN)
II — The Limitation of Employment of Force for Recovery of Contract Debts
III — The Opening of Hostilities
IV — The Laws and Customs of War on Land
V — The Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and Persons in Case of War on Land(Dito)
VI — The Status of Enemy Merchant Ships at the Outbreak of Hostilities (Bascialy considered to have been discarded by almost everyone by the middle of WWII)
VII — The Conversion of Merchant Ships into War-Ships
VIII — The Laying of Automatic Submarine Contact Mines
IX — Bombardment by Naval Forces in Time of War
X — Adaptation to Maritime War of the Principles of the Geneva Convention
XI — Certain Restrictions with Regard to the Exercise of the Right of Capture in Naval War
XII — The Creation of an International Prize Court [Not Ratified][2]
XIII - The Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers in Naval War

bascialy the best you can do with the Hauge is point to artical 22 and 23. . .

Art. 22.
The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited.

Art. 23.
In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden -

To employ poison or poisoned weapons;

To kill or wound treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;

To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;

To declare that no quarter will be given;

To employ arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering;

To make improper use of a flag of truce, of the national flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy, as well as the distinctive badges of the Geneva Convention;

To destroy or seize the enemy's property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;

To declare abolished, suspended, or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party. A belligerent is likewise forbidden to compel the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war.

the .50 is not a poison weapon, it is not a round designed to provide cruel and unnecsisary injury (and a grenads or explosive rounds shrapnel can leave you with an injury that is both painfull and long lasting, especialy if noone removes it for whatever reason) and with the later articals and amendments it is not a biological, incindiary weapon designed for use against personell not is it designed as a blinding agent or device.

[james reed]

i want the effin 7.62 P90 in F:NV

[Jaylene Brower]

All of this takes second priority to the Tommy Gun. The signs are pointing in favor of its existence and it would be most excellent to see in the game.

[Silencio]

Ironicaly you just lost every conversatation reguarding guns you have had up untill this point.

Wow. That is very impressive. I obviously must be wrong. Of course, am not a legal expert at all. I'm just an old Marine Infantryman who is repeating what he was told. And told we were. If I was told wrong, then I apologize for repeating it. Of course, I'm wondering how can one lose a conversation? And who is keeping track of the points? I'm now off to search why the Marine Corps would have told me something you say is not true.

[Emily Rose]

Wow. That is very impressive. I obviously must be wrong. Of course, am not a legal expert at all. I'm just an old Marine Infantryman who is repeating what he was told. And told we were. If I was told wrong, then I apologize for repeating it. Of course, I'm wondering how can one lose a conversation? And who is keeping track of the points? I'm now off to search why the Marine Corps would have told me something you say is not true.

My Dad is a SWCC and they use .50 Cal Machine Guns and I know there is an extensive use of .50 BMG Sniper Rifles because of the extreme ranges its capable of hitting targets at & the fact that you know if you hit your target they are more then very dead.

[Louise Lowe]

My Dad is a SWCC and they use .50 BMG Machine Guns and I know there is an extensive use of .50 BMG Sniper Rifles because of the extreme ranges its capable of hitting targets at & the fact that you know if you hit your target they are more then very dead.

I'm not doubting it's effectiveness or whether it is regularly used against individual human targets. I'm only relating my own personal recollections. I have obviously been told something that is incorrect, never brought it up to anyone who corrected me to this point, believing it to be true this whole time. And since I don't want my conversation score to go any lower, I guess I'd never bring that up again, huh?

[kitten maciver]

I'm not doubting it's effectiveness or whether it is regularly used against individual human targets. I'm only relating my own personal recollections. I have obviously been told something that is incorrect, never brought it up to anyone who corrected me to this point, believing it to be true this whole time. And since I don't want my conversation score to go any lower, I guess I'd never bring that up again, huh?

Your score never went down friend, I just wanted to share the stuff my Dad tells me about what they use and he brought me back some spent cartridges from the .50 Cal Machine Gun.

I know that Special Forces use different equipment from the regular Military forces, So that may be the case as well? :tops:

[Cat]

How about we kick-off on a new subject... SHOTGUNS!

If we get another Semi-Automatic Shotgun I'd like to get the affectionately nick-named "Humpback" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Auto-5 anything that John Browning set his hands upon is gold in my humble opinion. :tops:

This beauty was invented in 1898 and patented in 1900 it was in production up until 1998 that is 98 years of being in production and its still used by people today! On top of that it can be chambered in 12, 16, and 20 Gauge.

More Browning Auto-5 Pics:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Browning_Auto-5_20g_Mag.jpg
and
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/iantay/longforshot.jpg