I'm not saying that people shouldn't voice they're opinion but lets be realistic here. Dragon riding is very overrated. Not only that, but on the Xbox, the loading of textures and areas would be bad, and Skyrim really isn't that big so it's essentially pointless. However, they did implement it in a way that could work and makes sense, even if this isn't the dream many wanted. All I'm saying is that, while people whine and complain about all this, your just regurgatating the same stuff over and over again and nothing's coming from it. You focus on the negatives because your greedy. You want everything and you want it now, which is sad. Why didn't Bethesda do some things the way we wanted, I don't know, I can only speculate. But they gave quite a bit, many things we didn't think we wanted. Nothing good will come from all this complaining, especially considering its not constructive but rather venomous. If you want to vent, do it elsewhere because honestly, I'm sick of people attacking Bethesda regardless of all the great things they've given us. Yes it's buggy, yes they are things we wish they added and they may still add. What I want to see is more constructive criticism that actually is criticism and less whining about how your super high expectations didn't come to pass. Nothing was promised that didn't come into the DLC but rather many assumptions of what fans thought would be in. And because of this assumptions, when they weren't in the DLC, people get angry at the wrong person instead of realizing that they overhyped themselves. Stop blaming Bethesda for something they didn't promise or say.

Note that MC himself implied he would be doing stuff on Miraak.

. . .haters going to hate :/ what can you do *shrug*

we come from oblivion that only had two real DLC, the rest were one off homes for different styles of play. KotN that was one long quest that offered 1-2? unique looking armors if i recall correctly. and shivering isles. the latter is obviously awsome it had alot of content, items, places, beautifull colors, interesting NPCs, etc.

however in none of those did they actually add *features* to the game.

Skyrim has:
-overhauled the water effects for free
-added vampire lord similar to werewolf form
-added new perk trees for specific features
-included the ability to actually ride around on a dragons, even if only to say we did.
-added new features to weapons (miraaks sword, bloodskal blade)
-etc.

I think they added what they could as a shout out to the comunitee's wants, not to try and troll us. people moaned about spears, werebears, and dragon riding. and personally if i were Beth i would have just released a statement saying "No" so that people would stop moaning
if they are working on other things and cannot fit in the time in to add those things, thats fine.

Personally and as the materialistic person that i am i would prefer no more new features and just butloads of new and unique armor's and weapons they can keep working on the new weapon effects though, that was cool

People are also allowed to not have to see rants 24/7, just as much as you all are allowed to vent/rant. Honestly, they should just open a rants section, so this type of thing has its own place and everybody wins. At least I would.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, would congregate to that section though. This game in general has its ups and downs, and one big circle jerk about how great this game is doesn't help hide any of its flaws.

It would keep rants there, and not HERE. That is my point, and it would work. End of story. But thank you for picking my particular post to try and debunk it, I love it when people do that as a means to make their post look even better than the last. People don't want to see others complaining in the hints and spoilers sections. That isn't what this section is about.

I wish this idea would be implemented in ALL forums, not just this one. If only.

Before I start tearing the dlc apart byte by byte, I just want to mention that this dlc had the most potential of any dlc ever released by bethesda. I will come up with reasons as to why the decisions made in this dlc were the single most [censored], lazy, stupidest decisions ever made by a game company with so much to work with. So lets begin shall we:
1. Dragon riding:
Dragon riding is the laziest thing in this dlc. It would be stupid to think that this would be like horse riding, but the dragons just fly pointlessy in circles from where you tame them and what's stupid is that they cover vast quantities of ingame land with thier circles so it's clear that you could at least make a custom marker on your map and have them fly to it with the technological limits at hand
2. Werebears:
Werebears while not a common new enemy are still prevalent in the lands of solstheim. Thier presence should mean one thing to a seasoned elder scrolls player: get bit by one and become one. But even without being a werewolf or a vampire if you get enough bites to become swiss cheese the disease will not be passed to you. This makes me believe that this was unfinished and rushed out the door.
3. Morang Tong:
The morang tong are indeed in this dlc and as you know they are the thieves guild, dark brotherhood, and forsworn on some very heavy steroids. Thier assasins are in this dlc and you will get hits put on you by people you did wrong against. They even have a headquarters for God's sake and you still can't be one. Not only that that thier armor is not even a different color, its just plain chitin armor with different stats.
4. Apocrypha:
Apocrypha's design is just plain genius, but some of you already know the nature of this realm: It's not free world. There is only the bits of apocrypha traveled to when opening a black books and all worlds are not interconnected. Once again the walls move on thier own and apocrypha is magnificiently designed, but that doesn't change the stupidity.
5. New unique armors
The new unique armors are not even reskins let alone unique designs. They share the exact same appearance as other armors from the dlc with different stats. The enchantments are still cool but in another [censored] move you can't disenchant them.
6. Spears:
This lower on the list because It doesn't add potential to the dlc in and of itself but the way they are implemented is so [censored] that it deserves a place on this list. Spears are used as arrows. You heard that right and they have the same strength as iron arrows to boot.
7. New armor useless:
As you know the dlc has massively harder enemies and quests than the main dlc and the quests are normally scaled at about level 50, but the new armor types are incredibly weak when compared to daedric despite the land and general quests being so much harder than normal skyrim, what makes this even more [censored] is that the game gives you massive money rewards for certain quests (10000 septims!) and acknowledges that the rewards should be more worth it.
if I missed anything let me know.

What's with all this complaining? I mean seriously, you were given so much great content with a Morrowind setting and feel, making it feel like a proper expansion. However, instead of enjoying it, many of you always focus on the negatives and whine, whine, whine. If you don't like the DLC for some odd reason, that's fine but honestly, what's the point in writing this? To vent your fustrations that, to be honest, aren't very valid. Dragon riding is in the DLC, were you promised it would be full out dragon riding, no, but there is dragon riding and it does work for the limitations of the console. You weren't promised were bears, but you got them, not in the fashion you may have been hoping for, but they are there. Apocraphya was by far one of the coolest places that I've been in, and I loved the really cool designs of the enemies, as well as the awesome powers you get from the black books. And then there were spears. In no mention in the trailer or the press before release did bethesda show or tell us that you could wield a spear. No they showed the Rieklins with them and that's it. Sure alot of these things in the trailer and being in Solesthiem looked like they would be given us, however many of you decided to hype yourself up and that's technically your fault, not Bethesdas. It's crazy how so many look for perfection and want everything like spoiled little child. Why not just appreciate what you have been given and wait. Never say never, especially when more DLC and free updates are on the way. And if they never come, then so be it. I understand that you want to be passionate about something you love and that's great. But expecting everything and complaining when you don't get it, it's simply childish. Be grateful for the awesome DLC that they gave us and look at the positives because I can assure you, there are many. And if you still disagree, then please, let the rest of us who do enjoy it, enjoy it in peace without all this trolling and negativity. Thank you.

Amen to that. And so many of these same people were praising the dlc on the threads, talking about how good this was, how good that was, and they really really like the dlc, and then one person comes along and it is complain time. All of a sudden it is your right, and I am wrong, so therefore I do not like this, I do not like that. Whine, whine, grumble, grumble. For my age I am probably one of the biggest kids here, along with others my age, but if people do not have something good to say about something, take it up with them instead of making "whine" threads that alot of us are getting tired of seeing, especially when 20 minutes ago there was praising.

I'm glad to at least be able to play and enjoy the DLCs for Skyrim.

The folks on PS3 platforms are barely able to play the base game.

But then that's not their fault or even Bethesda's. That's Sonys problem IMO for building a machine that can only support GoW and CoD ... lol.

If I wanted more customization of the current stuff I'd prob just buy the game for my PC. But I'm content with the base game on my Xbox360.

The DLC is awesome and Definately worth buying.

stahlrim armor is as strong as dragonplate armor, so as for the new armors, i'm content. Though, the dragon riding mechanics were a load of [censored] like you said.

Horse armor was worse.

nuff said.

If you think this is the worst Bethesda DLC, then clearly you have never played Mothership Zeta.

8. miraak is underwhelming, despite being marketed as "your deadliest adversary". he's nothing more than HM's little pawn

the only reason why people rate this dlc highly is because it gives them nostalgia. without this, the dlc is just average