No the Game Jam video did not tick me off.

Why can't all that stuff I saw in the video be in Skyrim right now? *whines*

Jeez, all that stuff in the video was an experiment done by the team that created Skyim pretty much after the game was ready to hit stores.

Well, that's a fair point. I have my doubts that marriage - and adoption! - can actually ever be worth anything as a game mechanic, but certainly they should have left it out until they got it fleshed out more. Even the people that like marriage in principle don't like the execution so far.

Dark dungeons and dark nighttime should have been done from the get-go.

Why can't you understand that working on small features over the course of a week, with nothing else, is different than spending 3 years designing the game from the ground up, and splitting your resources between tons and tons of different content?

What's so hard about that?

For some people it's impossible for them to understand.

Also, you know what? "The community" doesn't want spears. Some people want spears, while the rest of us think it would be fine to have spears but could really care less.

Also, the spear shown in the video was only cosmetically a spear. It was a bo staff with a pointy end, as I pointed out.

The idea of darkness shouldn't have been implemented from the start. The range of testing done within the office would be way too selective. You have a swarm of different monitors, and HD/SD TVs. You have 3 different platforms, and 1 platform that has huge diversity in terms of hardware.

I understand wanting to have the need for torches but even then they basically eliminate one style of play. Sneaking with a torch seems very counter productive. The darkness outside is fine for me, the 2 moons and lack of lights means that it would be pretty easy to see when running around.

But it's weird to have caves where you can see. It's just ridiculous that you can go the entire game and never need any light source.

Dear god no.

What was left out was not worth a 2 month delay, let alone a 2 year delay.

It's a video showcase of prototypes that are probably barely functional made in the week after release when there are no other deadlines or features to be met or completed, released to amuse and to create some excitement about what may lay ahead. The people complaining about this are being utterly unreasonable, imho.

Modders that don't have to design a game from the ground up, from the game world, to the character design, to quests, and everything else that goes into designing a game.

Modders that only have to focus on the one piece of content they are working on. Thus, able to churn out "content" at a quick pace/

Why can't people who complain about the way the game works actually -understand- how it works?

Exactly this.

You know, I lost one of my favorite skills from Morrowind in Oblivion.

I was disappointed, I won't lie. But I didn't sit around and [censored] and moan and complain about how awful Bethesda is. I adapted to the game, and made my characters within the confines of the game, and I was able to enjoy an incredible, amazing experience.

You can either get over it, or not play. Those are really the 2 choices.

Tick me off? Hell no. It made me hopeful of some later additions, though.

You've got to realise it may only take a week to add a concept into the game for a showcase, but it takes months to make sure it works in every area of the game without causing problems.

That is an excellent point. I always found very odd that you enter a place that has been uninhabited by nothing more than spiders and machines for who knows how long, and there are still torches burning. It really defeats the purpose of having a light.

EDIT : Besides the fact that Falmer are blind...

It isn't about doing everything, or whining or being entitled or whatever nonsense some folks seem to be trying to dredge up. 90% of everything shown was asked for, for YEARS. not spaceships, not city building, not farming (ok maybe ;p). but general things that was requested to RETURN. not increase the work load, but to get options back.

my goodness the audacity of some folks.


its like the fact that things like marriage, dual wielding and perks that amount to tacking on goes over your head, but wanting some options back is being a selfentitled whiner. please stow it with that mess, people are PAYING for the game.

I could understand it, if it were only dungeons where it could be explained. Certainly bandit hideouts would have torches lit, and places that witches' covens and necromancers hang out. But a tomb? Really?

The problem isn't that people are asking for these things, it's that they act like it's nothing short of a WTF OUTRAGE OMG that there aren't spears in the game, for God's sake.

That's funny cuz I haven't met a single person who didn't like Skyrim, and I haven't met a single person that doesn't consider Bethesda at the top of the RPG world...

I'd say marriage is more worthwhile than a darker dungeon.

I struggle to see just fine in dungeons...

Ha! Hardly, but I respect your choice. I humbly disagree.

Who CARES how they act? the emotional connotations aren't important.

When he shows the evolution of elders scrolls series,, and show the evolution of skyrim,,, what? the npcs are robots, i didnt see anywhere that evolution,,, seriously,,
have a conversation with a NPC is so unnatural.. and the option that you have,,
1) yes 2) no?? where is no??
1)ok i will do that --->npc: ok i will wait here 2) its seems to be dangerous--->npc: yes perhaps, go i will wait here where is my option,," ok i will do it, but a want more money", or somethig like that,,,, the dialoges in skyrim are a regression

sorry for my english

Beth: "Look at all this cool stuff you can make if you're on the PC! Oh...sorry console players..."

The things that were left out, that have been asked for, had to be prioritized against other things.

Spears aren't more important than Dual Wielding. I would much prefer having dual wielding over spears, especially if spears are like they were in the video, where it wasn't actually a spear but a bo staff.

Sorry, but to me, nothing that was left out that has been asked for is more important than what we got, and nothing that was left out is worth a delay in the release to make sure it's in the game.

And of course such is your Opinion Nell, I'm talking in general not for myself. I wouldn't want Building homes or riding Dragons but I Equally Vouche for them regardless. again like I said its not about having them all or being entitled, its "wtf you knew -alot- of these things were asked for generally, why didn't it make the game?" and no spears do not stop dual-wielding. all that flak from 2011 about how they can't do this and that is out the window with the release of the game jam.


quite frank all in all I'm happy they were able to have a time on their own to do all that, but its just crippling in the time frame of a week whether by teamrs or individually they got so much done, and couldnt do this sometime in the "5" years? and that talk about balance and properly working doesn't apply. why? seems you forgot the legions of souls who had issues with Bugs for Skyrim ;p

-Wrong- That work they did can be applied to Consoles as well, thats the beauty of it.